Is Obama’s presidency threatened? [Birth Certificate]

The Delhi Statesman ^ | July 18, 2009 | Rajinder Puri

[2ndDivisionVet]

Even while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pursues her five-day visit to India, an event has occurred in the USA that could conceivably snowball into a major controversy to cut short President Obama’s tenure. Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution states: “No person except a US born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President.”

During the last US campaign a controversy arose about Obama’s birthplace. Critics were unsure if he was born in the USA or Kenya. Obama’s campaign committee released a Hawaiian birth certificate on 13 June, 2008. Sceptics alleged that it had signs of forgery.

Obama maintained he was born in Hawaii. One hospital, Honolulu ‘s Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children, claims it received a letter from the President declaring his birth there. But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to authenticate the letter. For nearly six months the hospital proudly declared Obama was born at its facility to create poll hype. Later it covered up and refused to confirm if the letter actually existed. The letter was purportedly signed by Barak Obama. If the signature was forged it was a most serious offence. Was any action taken against the Hospital?

This week the controversy about Obama’s birthplace resurfaced dramatically. A US Army Reserve, Major Stefan Frederick Cook, scheduled for deployment to Afghanistan, refused to serve claiming that the order was illegal because the American President was not legitimate. He argued that he should not be required to serve under a President who has not proven his eligibility for office. “As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is my duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a ‘natural-born citizen,’ he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief,” Major Cook said. “Then any order coming out of the presidency or his chain of command is illegal. Should I deploy, I would essentially be following an illegal order. If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections.”

The military created shock waves by revoking the deployment order without giving any reasons. Thereby it evaded a reply to Major Cook’s objection and implicitly acknowledged that it could offer no proof of President Obama’s birth in the USA. If the military cannot vouch for President Obama’s legitimacy the implications can be very far-reaching. Major Cook’s case is being heard in the court of US District Judge David O Carter. The judge told the plaintiffs to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to “the merits” of their case. The date of the hearing was fixed for 16 July.

It is unlikely that the US mainstream media will highlight the event. But regardless of the judge’s verdict, will the issue die? If it snowballs into a crisis America could face a cruel choice. While it battles a severe economic meltdown it may have to either remove a most popular President or violate its Constitution.

[thecodont]

Now, since Natural Born Citizen is not defined in the Constitution, it's still debatable whether McCain would qualify or not, he certainly comes closer than Obummer. But clearly, if not born in the US, and thus not a citizen at birth, as McCain clearly is, Obama would definitely not be a Natural Born citizen. He wouldn't even be a citizen, unless later naturalized, which of course would also make him not "natural born". By the same token, even if born in the Royal Hawaiian Hotel, on the beach at Wakiki, Obummer might not be Natural Born, as opposed to native born, since only one of his parents was a US citizen, or even a permanent resident alien, since his purported father was here in a student status.

So if McCain is NBC, he is the very brown edge of the cookie, but still he is part of the cookie.

BO, on the other hand, is just a crumb.

[wintertime]

The cracks have just begun, look at the officer’s orders rescinded.
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You bet the cracks are opening wide.

Look at this You Tube video of Delaware's Mike Castle at a town meeting. The little lady waving her flag and her own certified long form birth certificate gave me goosebumps, and the entire room was yelling at Mike Castle about Obama’s natural born status.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[cynwoody]

There are so many people involved in this constitutional travesty that I fear, as in Honduras, that the military may be the only agency of government willing to act.

Not an apt example. In Honduras, both the legislature, which was controlled by Zelaya's party, and the supreme court were in agreement that the wannabe tyrant needed to be removed. The military just followed orders to take out the trash.

This is in contrast to, say Chile, where the military acted on their own.

[cynwoody]

BUT it may be the book where he supposedly said the bit about Queens Hospital.

Audacity of Hope. The UPI story is not clear about where he claimed it.

Anyone got the book to check it?

You can get the book here (along with Dreams, if you are averse to paying royalties to communists). Looks like the only occurence of 'queen' is preceded by 'welfare'.

[Munz]

>watched Lou Dobbs last night. They sure did a job on Keys and Taitz,<

what happened?

[Munz]

>I could almost guarantee you that the Supreme Court will never find that Obama cannot serve as President.<

I have thought the same thing for a while. But there is too much attention being drawn to it and it won’t go away.
Eventually one of these supreme court judges who has the case is going to say that they don;t want to be caught up in the duplicity of it all and give it a fair hearing.

Obama will get “sick” from his grueling policy making and have to leave early.

Somewhere along the line, we have to find one judge that has morals who doesn’t want to be tainted in history as one of the judges who allowed the greatest hoax to be perpetrated on America.

[Munz]

>When are you people going to realize why the Supremes will not rule on this? When it was brought up before them before, their exact words were “plaintiff does not have standing”. This is because the Constitution only allows the ‘natural born’ determination to be contested by the Electoral College. It’s a Catch 22 situation and a flaw in the Constitution. An Electoral College whose makeup has just been determined to be biased towards the winner is not going to contest his eligibility.<

I am not sure i follow your reasoning, but i have always stated that the cases need to be heard in every state individually.
Each state has a sos who verified his eligibility (allegedly)- that verification is what needs to be challenged to take the electoral votes out of the count IMO.

If they did not vet, it is decided in each state that he was not eligible to begin with, the ticket has to be withdrawn.

Only then could the SCOTUS hear the case on appeal after each states appellate court heard it.

[Munz]

>How did Obama get Kenyan citizenship? Probably because he was born there.<

through his father who was kenyan.

[Munz]

>Make no mistake. When push comes to shove, welfare recipients will be at your door with torches and pitchforks,<

Pretty stupid things to bring to a gun fight if you ask me but ... hey, if they want to ...

[Munz]

>Of course, none of this addresses the question of his birthplace.<

it doesnt need to.
a natural born citizen has two american citizens for parents.

if his father was a kenyan citizen, obama can NOT be a natural born citizen.

[john mirse]

The newspaper you cite isn’t the U.o.H. newspaper, it’s a high school newspaper. Maybe you could track down the author of the story. Since 4 1/2 years have gone by, there’s a decent chance he’s of drinking age. Try taking him out and feeding him lots of drinks. Maybe he’ll spill his guts when he’s good and drunk.

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It looks like you just insulted every hard-working high school reporter in the United States.

1. You seem to say that a Hawaiian high school reporter who is interviewing a native son who was just elected U.S. Senator from Illinois can't get his facts straight because he is only a high school student.

2. Bennett Guir is the young man who interviewed Obama and his half-sister for that November 2004 Hawaii article.

3. I bet he put a lot of work into it to make sure he got all his facts right.

4. So, Bennett Guir, wherever you are, could you please respond to this message?

5. That is, Bennett Guir, how did you know to write that Obama was born in Queens Hospital?

6. Did you make a mistake and misquote either Obama or his half-sister, or did you use some other source that told you that Obama was born in Queens Hospital?

7. That is, did you and your editor mean to write "Kapiolani" when you accidentally wrote "Queens"? Thanks.

[Spaulding]

Cynwoody, of course you are correct about the scenario. Here, the legislature is complicit and it may be that the supreme court hasn't the courage. I hope I'm wrong about the supreme court. Perhaps they haven't gotten a well-formed case. My sentiments, from some years in the Air Defense Missle Command, are that with lives on the line, yours, your family's, your country's, and a bit of experience with intelligence, most with military experience, particularly officers, should be very concerned. They might force the supremes to act, creating a scenario more like Zelaya’s. It would clearly be best if the court would act.

[skinkinthegrass]

a natural born citizen has two american citizens for parents.
if his father was a kenyan citizen, obama can NOT be a natural born citizen.

..and his mother, Wasn't not old enough (nor in the country / USA long enough, to convey Nat. citizenship) she was (sleep around) overseas....

[Munz]

Reverend Manning said she was a “ho”

LOL ..
“Obama’s mama’s a ho!”
“The long legged mack daddys mama was trash ...”

I love that guy he is great ... have you seen him?

[DMZFrank]

HEre is the video of where he supposedly says Queens Hospital.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdJ7Ad15WCA

He doesn’t say anything about a hospial, but at 19:18 into the peech he says “This campaign has to be about the reclaiming of the meaning of citizenship.”

His presidency may be about that. Just not in the way that he meant it.

[john mirse]

About Queens Hospital -

Can someone find the information where Obama says he was born from Queen’s hospital instead of quoting the rumor mill.

I saw a discussion that it was his sister that said it...and the Dems claim his sister was misquoted by the student doing the article.

I cant find any direct source where Obama states he was born at Queens.

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If American reporters are too scared to ask Obama about his birth certificate, his birth hospital, and his college records, then I wish that some foreign reporters would step up and ask Obama those questions that American reporters seem too scared to ask.

[csense]

bkmk

[Spaulding]

El Gato, I had not heard that there were questions about McCain's certificates. I don't think it matters. McCain, I've heard, has never asserted he was a “Natural Born Citizen”. There have been a number of attempts to pass laws making McCain a de-facto ‘natural born citizen’, which became resolutions when lawyers in the Senate acknowledged that the legislature cannot amend the constitution - something I'm sure they always knew. But McCain can never be made a citizen ‘by nature’, only by law. The 14th amendment only addresses ‘legal’, not ‘natural’ citizenship.

Three candidates, McCain, Obama and Calero were not natural born citizens, or indigenes, or natives - all three terms from the Law of Nations.

I was once very concerned when someone would comment: “Natural born citizen, which is not defined by the constitution”. So I read whatever I could find (special thanks to C Kerchner and Benaiah on apuzo1.blogspot.com), which fortunately led me to the keystone cases of the supreme court, Marbury v. Madison, and The Venus, and the decisions written by John Marshall, our first Chief Justice. Some terms are in such common legal use that redefinition is redundant. Such a legal definition is referred to as a ‘term of art’.

Attempting to read a well known book on quantum mechanics I found no definition of a key term, "hilbert space", and was forced to find the definition elsewhere. A hilbert space is a 'term of art' to quantum physicists. They all know what it means, or where to find out more. For the founders, the principal source was Vattel's Law of Nations.

In Marbury, Marshall asserted that no term in the constitution can be assumed not to have meaning, or changed by amendment unless the change is explicit in the amendment. Marshall, in The Venus, explicitly identifies the Law of Nations of Vattel as the source of the definition for Natural Born Citizen, and then he repeats the definition by Vattel in his Summation. That definition has never been changed. To say that ‘natural born citizen’ is not defined by the constitution, while true in fact, is not true in effect.

Much of the constitution and the Declaration of Independence are based upon Vattel; Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, Marshall, Bingham,... said so. There is not question about the meaning, or why there have been 23 attempts to obtain an amendment to Article II Sect 1, paragraph 5. Colleagues of Obama wrote briefs on the issue in 2004, 2005, and 2006.

I suspect Obama and his team figured the obscurity of the issue would give Obama time to transform the USA into the socialist oligarchy Soros has honestly declared he would spend his entire fortune to achieve.

[thecodont]

There is not question about the meaning, or why there have been 23 attempts to obtain an amendment to Article II Sect 1, paragraph 5. Colleagues of Obama wrote briefs on the issue in 2004, 2005, and 2006.

Could you please give details on these 23 attempts and also on the briefs? Thanks.