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ATF to Tennessee: We're Above Your Law
Examiner.com ^ | 07/17/09 | David Codrea

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:50 PM PDT by Copernicus

The ATF - as expected - has issued a letter in which it disregards the 10th Amendment restrictions on federal power (as seems to be the trend since the late 1930) and has notified Tennessee’s federal firearms dealers that the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act is meaningless. Essentially, ATF is saying to the state of Tennessee that the 10th Amendment no longer exists.

We expected such from a tyranny that no longer lives within the bounds of its express authority…

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 10th; 10thamendment; agenda; banglist; batfe; bho44; bootthebatfe; ccw; codrea; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; firearmsfreedomact; jbt; lping; policestate; rapeofliberty; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights; tennessee; tyranny
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To: Nuc1
Not so for practical purposes.

I'm well aware of that. But I guess it depends on ones notion of "practical".

121 posted on 07/18/2009 9:13:08 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Test-case SUCCESS to Tennessee BUMP.
122 posted on 07/18/2009 9:17:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Copernicus
We expected such from a tyranny that no longer lives within the bounds of its express authority…

Tyranny never lives within the bounds of any authority but its own.

123 posted on 07/18/2009 9:42:44 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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To: MrB
Actually, that's the way it should be.

CA....

124 posted on 07/18/2009 9:52:19 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: redgolum
If the Fedgov allows the various anti ATF state laws to stand, then the authority of the Fedgov is at an end.

And that's a bad thing?

125 posted on 07/18/2009 10:02:10 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: redgolum

**If the Fedgov allows the various anti ATF state laws to stand, then the authority of the Fedgov is at an end.**

Fedgov sounds a LOT like ORWELL’s ... INGSOC! All the more reason to trim it to it’s knees.


126 posted on 07/18/2009 10:16:01 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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To: Copernicus

Tennessee needs to wait till they can see the whites of the Feds eyes on this. That will give other states time to get the same or similar laws in place.

When the showdown happens it needs to happen all at once, in multiple states and it needs to be overwhelming. There is no sense doing this if it isn’t going to be done right. The states need to plan this out and coordinate it. They also need to plan for their response to any federal intrusion into this.

Im thinking the perfect “trigger” would be multiple high profile events (gun show, swap meet, new store, etc..) that takes FULL ADVANTAGE of the newly regained freedoms the state has insured. Something the FED’s cannot ignore, and it needs to happen in EVERY free state at the same time.

Let US pick the time, place and reason... Let US push the events and make the fedgov react to OUR agenda. We can make this work if folks are willing to put it on the line.


127 posted on 07/18/2009 10:28:16 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: Copernicus

Bring it you baby killers! I live in MO but would proudly go and fight along side my brethren in Tenn.


128 posted on 07/18/2009 11:32:11 AM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: El Gato
I believe we will receive no succor from the courts which was my point. Certainly the court had no basis for the ruling. And the government no basis for enforcement of the decision. Doesn't stop them though and much of the expansion of the federal government was based upon this decision.
129 posted on 07/18/2009 11:51:08 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: El Gato

Hey Cat, good to hear from ya.

I know A.T.F. was not part of the Gonzalez deal.
And yes I know that ATF isn’t the only Federal, State or Local govt. agency that needs disbanding and it’s employees thrown in the nearest garbage dump.
Way I feel and think is about 78 percent of govt is useless, and should be shut down.


130 posted on 07/18/2009 11:56:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Patrick)
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To: flash2368
PASSED in

Alaska
Idaho
Louisiana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Tennessee

LOOKS PROMISING in

Arizona
Texas

Failed in three states - MT, AR, NH.

Pending in several others.

131 posted on 07/18/2009 12:31:02 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: ForGod'sSake
When there are so many rats, how does one smell anything else?


RepublicRats™

One party, united, whose sole purpose is to steal power incrementally.
Of late, they've sped up the incremental part.

132 posted on 07/18/2009 1:10:30 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Copernicus

And so it begins.......


133 posted on 07/18/2009 1:24:05 PM PDT by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: DariusBane
Pretty cool way to exert extra/constitutional powers on the States.

Yep, and Scotus found the extortion to be constitutional. Mark Levin is right. Rather than serve as the final bulwark defending our freedoms, the courts are the handmaidens to the destruction of our freedoms.

134 posted on 07/18/2009 2:15:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We are in a civil war. The rats are winning.)
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To: JSDude1

What has happened slowly over the years is that the feds and the media have gradually conned the electorate into believing that government is good and means well. We have largely lost the instinctual fear and loathing of large, centralized tyrannical government that our forefathers came here to escape.


135 posted on 07/18/2009 2:25:53 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: El Gato

>>People, and only people, have rights.

People, and those collective Frankensteins vested with personhood - aka Corporations.

Corporatism IS Collectivism IS Communism: and all of the above are simply forms of fascism - where the Individual is subjugated by the collective structure of governance.


136 posted on 07/18/2009 2:29:10 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Nuc1; El Gato
The decision was Wickard v. Filburn, 1942.

A Law professor at the time wrote that the decision "cannot pass the giggle test."

It has been open season on our liberties and Constitution ever since.

137 posted on 07/18/2009 2:29:16 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We are in a civil war. The rats are winning.)
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To: cva66snipe

That’s the problem with empowering a police force. A good police force is a wonderful thing. A bad police force is a nightmare. If you give the Police enough power to perform acts of ultimate good, then you are also giving them the power to perform acts of ultimate evil. So, I say assume risk on yourself or as a society be willing to assume risk, while de-funding and removing police powers.


138 posted on 07/18/2009 2:30:21 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Jacquerie

Our constitution was a pretty good attempt... But to expect a government to act against it’s own institutional interest and limit it’s own growth is never gonna work! Jefferson understood that, and figured that periodically the streets would have to be washed clean with the blood of tyrants. We have only two hundred years of history. Can you imagine living in China where they have had 4000 years to build the structure of State Power?


139 posted on 07/18/2009 2:34:17 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Joe Boucher

>>78 percent of govt is useless, and should be shut down.

Yep, the majority of govt certainly seems, at present, to exceed the scope of the original American specification:

“TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men”.


140 posted on 07/18/2009 2:34:31 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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