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Secession talk just getting started (Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2009 | PEGGY FIKAC

Posted on 06/29/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by cbkaty

Still, even his explanations tend to end with a question mark, like this one earlier this year: “I see absolutely no reason for Texas to leave. But if Washington continues to disregard the states and continues to try to force states to change the way that they govern, who knows what may happen?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cwii; donttreadonme; liberty; secession; statesrights; texas
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To: MamaTexan

I’m w/ you Mama! Two sets of great grand parents came to Texas in covered wagons. Im’a grandparent myself. I’ll take these summers w/ a smile if we are free from Tyranny!


101 posted on 06/29/2009 7:23:17 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Daisyjane69
"I’m fixin’ to move to TX in the next six months so I’m already there when you DO seceed!"

"Fixin' to" - You'll fit right in, darlin'!

102 posted on 06/29/2009 7:23:21 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: MrB
Gotta watch my Texian grammer.....

y'all/yall: This is short for "you all" and refers to a group of people. Some say, it's not a proper English contraction but it is in Texas (and in other places in the southern US) because everyone uses it.

Also.........drop all Gs.....i.e. haulin, doin, goin, headin, fixin..

103 posted on 06/29/2009 7:27:11 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
ya just can't walk on pavement barefooted....one learns that as a child in Texas.

The real test in Oklahoma and Texas is whether you can fry eggs on the sidewalk.

I learned that as a mere chile in the hottest year on record, 1933.

104 posted on 06/29/2009 7:29:09 AM PDT by Ole Okie (Simply an American)
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To: Non-Sequitur
But don't expect to screw the rest of us while you're leaving.

Back at ya......"But don't expect to screw the us when we are gone!"

105 posted on 06/29/2009 7:29:18 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: MamaTexan
Show me a list of the constitutionally mandated expenditures of the general government THEN we'll talk.

Show me a list of which ones have been ruled unconstitutional and I'll answer. I'd prefer not to rely on your opinion alone.

No, YOU'RE talking about Texas presidents because YOU are the only one who thinks where a President is from is somehow relevant. It is merer ANOTHER of the straw-man arguments you are famous for.

You're saying that where you're from has nothing to do with what you do?

Texas won't NEED a club. If you think you're owed something, send us a bill. I'm sure we can come to an agreement.

Why not come to agreement before you depart? Doesn't it make sense to settle all matters of disagreement before separating?

Constitutional authority, please.

That figure was arrived at by calculating Texas' percentage of the total population and multiplying it against the national debt at the end of Bush's term. I won't make you pay for Obama's part.

A right to some kind of remuneration in no way, shape or form can interfere with the right of a State to take action if the federal government acts against the best interests of the State.

And if your actions harm the interests of the rest of us do you expect us to just sit back and take it?

106 posted on 06/29/2009 7:29:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cbkaty
Back at ya......"But don't expect to screw the us when we are gone!"

Once you're gone I don't expect there is a whole lot we could do. I'm just concerned with the mechanics of the separation.

107 posted on 06/29/2009 7:30:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: HotLead61
What’ll you do to stop the “screwing”?

Whining fits and purse-slingin.....?

108 posted on 06/29/2009 7:31:38 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Sure, there are plenty like the Bush’s that came down here from the dying rust belt, the urban squalor that is the Northeast, the land of fruits and nuts, but mostly from across the Rio Grande. Many assimilate in our suburbs. All are welcome as long as they don’t chant the refrain, “That ain’t the way that we did it back in....”


109 posted on 06/29/2009 7:43:08 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Ole Okie
I learned that as a mere chile in the hottest year on record, 1933.

Wow...OK in the summer of 33...hot, dry, and dusty red.... I'd imagine you experienced a few dust storms....

110 posted on 06/29/2009 7:43:08 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'm just concerned with the mechanics of the separation.

Like all ex's.....you want it all...and the attorneys are the winners...but not this time.

111 posted on 06/29/2009 7:45:14 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Show me a list of which ones have been ruled unconstitutional and I'll answer.

He who asserts must also prove. You know enough about the Law to know that much.

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Why not come to agreement before you depart? Doesn't it make sense to settle all matters of disagreement before separating?

No, it makes more sense to get out from in front of the disaster that's rushing toward you, THEN worry about the particulars.

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That figure was arrived at by calculating Texas' percentage of the total population and multiplying it against the national debt at the end of Bush's term.I won't make you pay for Obama's part.

Generous of you, but your neither your calculations nor your generosity constitute constitutional authority. I'd prefer not to rely on your opinion alone.

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And if your actions harm the interests of the rest of us do you expect us to just sit back and take it?

No, I expect the collectivists will sit back and whine while the individualists will [hopefully] join us.

Let me put it in terms even YOU can understand-

The federal government has no more authority to force a State to stay in the union because they feel 'owed' any more than YOU would have the authority to make me stay somewhere because YOU felt I 'owed' you something.

That's what the courts are for.

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As far as Presidents incurring some kind of larger debt because of where they're from, that's just...........nonsensical. :-)

112 posted on 06/29/2009 7:48:15 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: Daisyjane69
Make sure when you leave your current state shout “You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas”. These were Davy Crockett's words upon leaving Tennessee for the future great country, then state, of Texas.
113 posted on 06/29/2009 7:59:57 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: wolfcreek

“Remember, we already kicked Mexico’s ass once.”

No, “we” didn’t. Our forefathers did 150 years ago. We can’t seem to protect our borders or enforce existing laws when it comes to Mexico.


114 posted on 06/29/2009 8:18:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: MamaTexan
Summer in Texas is hot, but I guess ya gotta pick your poison.

I'm originally from SoCal, and that place can be as hot as the fires of hell in the summer.

I now live in Texas, and aside from the additional discomfort of the humidity, it's not all that different in the summer.

115 posted on 06/29/2009 8:46:34 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: al_c
Oh, I have no doubt that the Texas Guard could defend our state.

Them, and the nearly 100% of able-bodied males who own guns here.

116 posted on 06/29/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ByteMercenary
There are shortages water being the most significant. But that is a solvable problem.

Since you are situated on an ocean the water problem is easy once you get rid of the libtards and that is desalinization plants, as many as you need to build to make the water you need. All or our coastal states need to be doing that, but of course that would take one of the means of control away from the libtards so they won't allow it.

117 posted on 06/29/2009 9:01:09 AM PDT by calex59
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To: cbkaty

Dittos here, she is definitely a high gloss politician (every word shiny, glossy, carefully nuanced, but you really have no idea what she stands for except she wants to not alienate anyone). She is like the epitome of the country club Republican in my view.


118 posted on 06/29/2009 9:15:33 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: Lee'sGhost
While nonsensical whines about BS points the main issue remains...you have to be stupid or a liberal to NOT see secession as a viable option worth considering if things continue down the road zerObama is taking us.

Correct assessment on that. I can't understand that many people do not see that we have a dangerous TOTUS leading us into socialism.

119 posted on 06/29/2009 9:30:12 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: cbkaty

Secession! Oh sure, screw the constitution and walk away. Let the Nazi socialist democrat party destroy the union and the constitution. I and many others took an oath to defend the constitution and not to take the gutless and useless approach of abandoning it. I still take that oath seriously but apparently some here do not or never have.


120 posted on 06/29/2009 9:45:27 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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