Posted on 06/09/2009 5:33:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
June 9, 2009 — “The findings add to a growing body of evidence in the past two decades that challenge some of the most widely-held beliefs about animal evolution.” That statement is not being made by creationists, but by science reporters describing work at Oregon State University that cast new doubt on the idea that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs. The main idea: their leg bones and lungs are too different.
Science Daily’s report has a diagram of the skeleton showing...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...
Oh really? With their limited resources, knowledge, and communication? It was easier to figure stuff out yourself than to go look it up in a reference table?
Evos never seem to be able to stop critiquing and criticizing past science in light of what we know today.
Judging past discoveries and scientific endeavors and making light of them based on the vast knowledge that exists today, is intellectually dishonest and does a huge disservice to the years of painstaking work that was done to lay the foundations of science as we know it today.
Those men who made those discoveries were intellectual giants, the likes of which do not appear to exist today.
With the wealth of knowledge that we have immediately at our disposal, we should be making huge strides in science and it ain't happening, not at the rate it has in the past.
The other laughable thing is the implication that we have arrived in our pursuit of knowledge. Back in the day *when nobody knew anything"? What a hoot. Like we know so much more now? The more we learn, the more we realize we don't know. Compared to what we don't know, what we know now is like spitting into the ocean.
Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
“Watch a wild turkey female run and its is so obvious that birds and dinos are related.” [excerpt]Watch a Ford and Chevy race and its obvious that they are related.
It was here. To refresh your memory:
--The Department of Education, drawing on numerous court cases, issued a "Guidance on Constitutionally Protected Prayer in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools" in 2003. Among other things, it said
students do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate," and the Supreme Court has made clear that "private religious speech, far from being a First Amendment orphan, is as fully protected under the Free Speech Clause as secular private expression."...For example, "nothing in the Constitution ... prohibits any public school student from voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or after the school day," and students may pray with fellow students during the school day on the same terms and conditions that they may engage in other conversation or speech. Likewise, local school authorities...may not structure or administer such rules to discriminate against student prayer or religious speech...So students can pray on their own, pray together, pray out loud, read the Bible, organize prayer groups, and meet before school to pray, and they can use school facilities for prayer and announce their prayer meetings over the P.A. system. And then, of course, there are comparative religion and philosophy classes. Is that really not enough opportunity to discuss creation in schools?
Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other noninstructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities....Students may organize prayer groups, religious clubs, and "see you at the pole" gatherings before school to the same extent that students are permitted to organize other non-curricular student activities groups. Such groups must be given the same access to school facilities for assembling as is given to other non-curricular groups, without discrimination because of the religious content of their expression....where student groups that meet for nonreligious activities are permitted to advertise or announce their meetings—for example, by advertising in a student newspaper, making announcements on a student activities bulletin board or public address system, or handing out leaflets—school authorities may not discriminate against groups who meet to pray.
? Doesn't the Scopes Trials ring a bell?
Uh, yeah. That was the one where a teacher was charged with violating a law against teaching evolution. A law passed by the Tennessee legislature--a political act.
There was never any political action taken to insert creation in to public schools,
In Georgia, the school board mandated those stickers. The school board in Dover mandated the addition of intelligent design to the curriculum. School boards are political bodies, and those were political actions.
Religion has never been successful in making inroads into public education through the courts.
I never said it had been. You seem to think that only the courts count as political.
LOL!
Just thinks about it ~ so, tell me, where does He do field testing before release?
People who read this literally simply have to buy into the posited sequence of events or give up the idea that it's the absolute, total, unadorned, truth as handed down by God to Moses.
Some of us read it differently.
Never forget that the courts in this country are, in general, the least democratic division of government.
My version of Genesis doesn’t mention DNA at all, so if God used different variations on the theme when creating all the animals, it wouldn’t in any way negate what was written in Scripture.
On the other hand, if you put millions of years in between night and day, it is likely the plants created on one day would be long gone before you got around to creating the animals.
Of course, God could keep them alive through the long cold night as well.
The difficulty (and it is not insurmountable) to abandoning the idea of a 6-day creation is that there is a lot of religious observance, including that taught by Jesus himself, which is tied to that 7-day period. There’s even a commandment which was given directly by God, which would seem odd if the entire 7-day thing was just allegorical to begin with.
I would be more likely to believe that there were living things throughout the earth, but that “creation” describes a specific act related to the Garden. Except that doesn’t really work well either.
It’s simpler if you realise God can create things with the appearance of age. This isn’t some artificial construct — Adam was created as a fully formed man, not as a embryo, so Adam had the appearance of age.
Both a strength and a weakness.
You go speculating about the nature of his birthing you open the door for everything else.
It succeeds because of leftist God hating organizations like the NEA have a stranglehold on public education.
As CLEARLY evidenced by the Georgia ACLU threatening the Newton co. Georgia school board with removing Christmas from the school calendar, or face legal action.
It's not just science class, liberals are continually breaking the law and subverting the constitution left and right. The question isn't the Constitution or the law, it's how many ways liberals attack it on a daily basis.
On a place like FR it's rather comical to see these liberals lying about the facts here, as if no one's noticing!
You want to use as evidence a scientist saying “birds don’t evolve from dinosaurs”.......while ignoring what that same scientist later says....that “birds and dinosaurs evolved separately from a common ancestor.”
This is what you ALWAYS do....selectively read something you “think” proves something....while ignoring the rest.
A little difficult when you’re propping up a scientists that is overtly talking about something tens of millions of years ago when I know that you believe that T-rex lived alongside Man a mere 6000 years ago.
Transparent...
That's the law, but how do children enforce such laws when the godless liberal NEA is demanding they not bring their Bibles to school, "because this isn't the place" and so on....???
comparative religion and philosophy courses?
You seem to think this is the rule as opposed to the exception but none of these courses exist k-12 in public schools that I'm aware of in the state of Georgia.
In Georgia, the school board mandated those stickers. The school board in Dover mandated the addition of intelligent design to the curriculum. School boards are political bodies, and those were political actions.
Actually a group of concerned parents initiated that, and lo and behold the simple truth that evolution IS theory and not fact was sued down by godless liberals.
Funny, when concerend parents don't want creation or ID, that's OK, but let some concerned parents speak up in favor of ID/creation, (or in this case even simple facts), which btw, is more often the case, well suddenly that somehow doesn't matter.
Like I said, that which you are asking for is built right into the title. The contrary evidence has forced the Evos to *invent* a common ancestor to birds and dinos further back in their Evo-mythology. Did I leave anything out?
“That’s the law, but how do children enforce such laws when the godless liberal NEA is demanding they not bring their Bibles to school, “because this isn’t the place” and so on....???”
—Do you have a source? I’d like to read about that.
“Actually a group of concerned parents initiated that, and lo and behold the simple truth that evolution IS theory and not fact was sued down by godless liberals.”
—The case was about much more than just whether evolution is a “theory”. Every textbook that I know of calls evolution a theory, and so why would a sticker be put on textbook or statement need to be read to that effect? And the vast majority of scientists view evolution as both fact and theory.
“Funny, when concerend parents don’t want creation or ID, that’s OK, but let some concerned parents speak up in favor of ID/creation, (or in this case even simple facts), which btw, is more often the case, well suddenly that somehow doesn’t matter.”
—I would hope that parents would want their children to learn the scientific method and leading scientific theories in science class (what else should it be for?).
Fascinating. Please explain how science education (in the public system, I presume?) is so atrocious due to the “particular Biblical” interpretations of . . . whom? (Christians?). Specifics, please . . . you can ‘prove’ anything by saying nothing, if you say it well enough (I offer you the incomparable 0bama as an example of this last).
”The more educated one is, especially in science, the less likely they are to be a creationist.”
Judeo-Christians, by definition, are Creationists. We’ve been down this road before, where you acknowledged a “special use” of the word ‘Creationist’ as shorthand for “Special creation”ist, thereby conceding the prevalence of the ordinary understanding of the word, referring to God as the Creator of the Heavens and of the Earth by people of the Judeo-Christian faith. Yet, here you are, in the best Liberal tradition, at the same old Goebbels propagandist Kool-Aid stand looking to smear a whole class of people by demeaning their identity. You may describe as “shorthand” your “special” definition of Creationist, but I call it a sawed-off shotgun that you use to clear the (rhetorical) room.
Thanks, metmom, for the beep.
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