Posted on 04/14/2009 8:36:29 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Dinosaur herd buried in Noah’s Flood in Inner Mongolia, China
by Tas Walker Published: 14 April 2009
An international team of scientists have uncovered graphic evidence of the deadly terror unleashed on a herd of dinosaurs as they were buried under sediment by the rising waters of Noah’s Flood in western Inner Mongolia (figure 1).[1]
Dinosaur bones were first discovered at the site, located at the base of a small hill in the Gobi Desert, in 1978 by a Chinese geologist. After about 20 years, a team of Chinese and Japanese scientists recovered the first skeletons, which they named Sinornithomimus, meaning “Chinese bird mimic”.
A few years later in 2001, the international team excavated the remains of more than 25 dinosaurs, creating a large quarry in the process as they as they followed the skeletons into the base of the hill. Remarkable excavation
As the team carefully mapped the location of the bones and strata that contained them (figure 2), it became clear that the dinosaurs were all within the same layer of mudstone (i.e. the same bedding plane), generally facing the same direction and remarkably well preserved.[2]...
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Oh, I agree too! But the issue then becomes that the Bible is NOT a literal, word-for-word exact copy of the Word of God. It is to be interpreted and read with an eye looking for not the literal, but the metaphorical truths within.
Which kind of completely destroys the whole YEC foundation, based upon counting people and times as listed in the Bible.
My fundamental point: if you claim that the Biblical account of creation, and that the Biblical account of Noah's flood are 100% factual in their claims, then you must accept the words of the Bible as presented as inerrant, meaning that of the two translations GGG has provided, one of them is wrong and an abomination.
If you accept the Bible as a metaphorical and theological book describing the relationship of man to God, then the whole need and desire for a YEC standpoint becomes irrelevant; whether God created the earth 6000 or 6 billion years ago is not an issue. Whether God literally formed dust into man and made it flesh, or used the process of evolution is of no consequence. What matters is that God did it.
One of the reasons that jihadi Muslims are so dangerous is because of their slavish devotion to the literal words of the Qu'ran. Unfortunately, for many YECers and jihadi Christians, they have the same slavish devotion to the literal words, not the content behind them.
The original poster, GGG, has already been hoisted on his own petard by showing that two different translations of the Bible show different words. So now he has to reconcile why he either believes the first version he quoted - where the bones are literally tubes of bronze - is wrong (and if so, why would he use it to justify his position), or explain how the second version - the KJV, acknowledged over centuries as the "right" translation - is wrong because it makes the simile explicit as well as changes the metal (from bronze to brass).
Or, he could just sit back and realize that literal interpretations of the Bible not only don't work, but are in fact theologically stunting, and lead one to a restricted understanding of the nature and promise of God.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work...” (Exodus 20:8-10).
Something is not consistent?
Mark 16
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Evo-geology is motivated by Darwood’s materialist creation myth. It is not geology as such, but the Evo spin on geology.
Better throw in evo-physics and evo-astronomy also.
Along those lines, why is it that we never seem to find dino fossils and ANY type of modern mammal remains in the same layer? We find dino footprint fossils as well, but never any mammal footprints in the same layer.
Anybody who argues that dinos were all killed in the Flood needs to deal with some issues.
Yep...they are all dominated by Evos who believe in Darwood’s materialist creation myth.
Exactly. So where is any evidence of dinos existing at the same time as modern animals? Where is there a single credible incident of dino fossils existing in the same layer as mammal or modern bird fossils?
But I see you have no concerns about nuclear power plants designed by the evo-physicists and evo-engineers.
On relying too heavily on English translations of the ancient texts.
If I am not mistaken, the original meaning of the word that English translates as Virgin, actually meant Young Girl, which really punches a hole in a lot of theology.
One of the reasons that jihadi Muslims are so dangerous is because of their slavish devotion to the literal words of the Qu'ran. Unfortunately, for many YECers and jihadi Christians, they have the same slavish devotion to the literal words, not the content behind them.
Now hang on a sec here, PugetSoundSoldier. I get what you're saying but you're far too dismissive of the literalness of the text.
If God exists, and if the Scriptures are God's way of communicating to us, then why on earth would he allow the blasted thing to have errors in it? He would be at odds with his own purpose then. That'd be like a guy leading a blind man deliberately into a manhole cover.
It is part of the Christian faith that Scripture is inerrant, period. To argue otherwise is heresy. The problem here as I see it is not Scripture being wrong about 6 days or about Behemoth, but people's *interpretations* being wrong.
Why Don’t We Find Human & Dinosaur Fossils Together?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/human-and-dino-fossils-together
You are apparently obsessed with these "evos". Geology predates biological evolution and is independent from biology. Many geologists are Christians too.
The Hebrews observed the Sabbath, which is our Saturday. Therefore it would be logical for God to have begun his work on Sunday.
Thanks. Your link goes to the case that dinosaurs and men did not live at the same time!
Interesting. God began his work on the Hebrew calendar?
That is a common Jewish counter-claim to Christianity, but the issue is far from settled. Alma is the Jewish word, and that was translated into the Septuagint (which predates Christianity BTW) as parthenos or "virgin". The whole context of the passage implies that something miraculous is taking place: a sign will be given, and the sign will be that an ALMA will bear a child. It's not clear how a "young girl" bearing a child is a sign of anything, except life in general.
So yes, one has to be careful with translation. But that goes for a lot of skeptics too. Their scholarship is often the sloppiest of all, if you ask me.
It is those who get hung up on the literal words or the literal numbers that miss the "forest for the trees". Whether Samson slew 100 or 10,000 with the jawbone of an ass is irrelevant; what IS relevant is that God gave him supernatural strength to succeed!
If the literal words are important, then you have a pretty big problem. Just this one verse in Job becomes a problem - are the bones made of bronze, or are they like brass? That is a pretty significant difference in terms of literal words!
But what if the meaning of the words, the reason they were written down - that God made things unimaginably big, strong, and complex - is what you need to concern yourself with? Then whether the translation is like brass or is bronze is irrelevant - both well convey the meaning of the message.
Essentially, it is my belief that those who argue the inerrant nature of the written Bible are deluding themselves. For there are literally hundreds of translations which contain differences in words and phrasing (this one verse from Job being an example). And if the exact words are to be maintained, then how can we - as Christians - tolerate ANY incorrect translation?
No, my friend, it is not the words themselves that matter; it is the theological truths they convey that matter! Are the words to Amazing Grace laid low because the tune that Wesley used that of a then-common pub song? NO! The words are still powerful, regardless of the foundations of the song.
Likewise the message contained is inerrant, while the expression - the translation, the written letters and symbols - are not. THAT is what I contend should be considered and maintained.
Venerating a book or words violates the First Commandment; that is a very real concern with any who proffers their translation of the Bible is the only "correct" and "inerrant" Word of God.
ALL have fallen short of the Glory of God! Man is fallible, and anything Man writes down or creates is fallible. And that includes translations of the Bible. And that includes those who take complete literal interpretations of their version of the Bible as inerrant.
It's pretty sure they didn't all happen at the same time yet there they are, and thanks to the flow of time they were all able to leave their marks in the snow without conflict, and I was able to see those marks without their still hanging around to let me watch them.
And if (as sometimes happens), the temp creeps up above freezing, there is a light drizzle, and the temp drops again, then the footprints become frozen in ice. An observer coming on the scene can be pretty sure then that the footprints had to have been made after the snowfall and before the freezing rain.
And if there is a fresh snowfall after that, then any unfrozen footprints had to have occurred after the freezing rain and subsequent second snowfall, etc.
“God began his work on the Hebrew calendar?”
Of course, since the Hebrews wrote the bible [with inspiration from their God], they would naturally use their own calendar.
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