Posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency. Here is a list:
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue, Obama refuses to release it.
2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.
3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted. His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian. He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?
4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.
5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.
Obama supporters have unrealistically simplified this issue down to the COLB. There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.
I think that those who are bringing this issue to the attention of the courts need to step back and address the big picture first and then fill in the details.
Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?
They must have radar activated BC pinging beebers
Barry’s Certification of Live Birth is a short form - Abstract.
Whether wallet-sized, billboard-sized, or postage stamp-sized, it’s still a short form abstract and according to the Department of State website “may not be acceptable for passport purposes”.
Don't forget Star Traveler
I missed it, darn.
Is Fox preparing their audience for the possibility?
I also hear you can become president without any proof you are a natural born citizen as well.How ‘bout that?
MM went bye bye a few days ago.
ST will probably be here soon....
Darn, I never got to see his posts :)
Thanks for the ping.
FYI, Fox is reporting right now that it’s quite easy to get a US passport with forged documents...
***Real safe system they have, huh? I guess BO figured that out a while ago.
What's the Cuba angle, I've missed the story.
Is Castro zer0 daddy? Just kidding...seriously what's the story?
No, it's not an abstract, in the sense used by the DOS. It fulfills all the qualifications listed by the DOS.
Futhermore, I think you'll find that more and more states, if not all, are now or will be issuing this type of document in lieu of a photostat of an original certificate in response to a birth certificate request. It saves time in not having to research microfilm or image files, and it saves money for the same reason.
As I said above, I have one, and it's been acceptable for a passport app, and I have no reason to believe it won't be acceptable for anything else that requires proof of birth in the US.
Believe me, you didn’t miss much. Even though he’s banned/suspended you can do a search using his name and some of his posts will come up.
I just tried it and they’re still there...what’s been deleted are the posts he made that resulted in his ban.
Happy reading!
A hat tip to you, thanks
Glad to help!
Wow, page after page of nothing but the BC issue....wonder how much he got paid by the dnc?
I think they do it out of “love.”
Not very well rounded individuals are they?
Not true.
What is posted on his website is a web facsimile of one side of a purported document. What was posted was also altered (certificate number blacked out), which according to the posted document invalidates that document for all legal purposes.
Obama would have to make available the actual physical copy of the document so that both sides could be inspected by people.
Can you imagine what would happen if you were driving and were pulled over by a cop, and instead of showing your drivers license you pulled out your blackberry and showed an image of the front of your drivers license that you stored on your website? Could you get on a plane by showing that blackberry image to an airline ticket agent, TSA, or others?
Then why should we accept one side of a web facsimile as the real thing?
-PJ
Yes, it’s a computer generated abstract and does not fulfill all qualifications. Since you offered up Connecticut, let’s take a look at Connecticut:
http://www.ct.gov/doc/LIB/doc/PDF/Workbook/wb02.pdf
Application for a Copy or Abstract of Birth Certificate
IMPORTANT: Please indicate below the number and type of record requested.
CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPY - This can be used for all purposes.
CERTIFICATION OF BIRTH CARD (Wallet-Size) - Note: Available years 1973 and after.
This can be used for new school enrollment, applying for social security benefits. (For other purposes, please contact the party involved)
You offered, in Post #74, the following quote from the DOS:
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
I responded that a Certification of Live Birth, now issued by Hawaii and in various other incarnations by many other states, fulfills the qualifications set forth by the DOS. It has "a raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal." It has "the registrar's signature." It has "the date the certificate was filed in the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of...birth."
Is this the hill you wish to stand on for this fight?
If so, it's not a winner.
Photographs from multiple angles were also posted later, and they clearly indicated the document meets all the legal requirements.
What was posted was also altered (certificate number blacked out), which according to the posted document invalidates that document for all legal purposes.
The image was altered, not the document itself. Furthermore, the photographs posted later did not black out the number but showed it clearly.
Obama would have to make available the actual physical copy of the document so that both sides could be inspected by people.
He did make it available at his campaign headquarters. The only people who bothered going there to inspect it were the factcheck people.
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