Posted on 02/16/2009 5:12:51 AM PST by bogeybob
The Senior Senator from Maine.
Um...that would be the 17th Amendment.
My question is, “Would a significant portion of those voters have NOT voted at all, or voted GOP, if Hillary were the candidate?” An unscientific poll of my college students says they would have voted Dem anyway. (Because of McCain?? or issues?)
Most likely they would have. But nationwide, a conservative(meaning, not McShame) vs Hillary would’ve been a wipeout.
Well, you no more to blame for the False Messiah than I am for the Gore family farce. Red herring crapola.
"I don't give 1/4 of a crap what tickles Vitter's fancy be it hookers or wearing depends for fun so long as he votes the right way. I just worry cause some voters do care, I see a parallel with Tim Hutchinson, who may still be there if he hadn't left his wife. They could find a nice "family values" fauxcon rat to take him on."
The Hutchinson attacks were ludicrous. They implied Tim had left his wife "and children" for some young honey. His "child" was a grown man with a wife of his own and was a member of the state legislature. But there is one thing a lot of people don't realize, getting elected to federal office can RUIN your marriage and family life. One of my old soap operas that I watch featuring a guy that for the Senate having to barnstorm NY state (and this in the late '70s), and he never got to see his girlfriend and his two children, had an affair with the woman accompanying him on his campaign. It may be soap, but it goes on a lot of the time. When you're having to commute from your home state to DC, spend most of the day at work and don't get home until late, it can be a disaster. Bob Dole's first wife told him it was either Congress or the marriage. He didn't want to go back to practicing law in a small town and he picked his career in DC. It's a bad scene, even worse when you don't have a supportive spouse.
"Well Clayburgh was. I don't know who if anyone will brace Pomeroy next year."
I'd call Clayburgh second tier. Someone who has already won major office in the state would be first-tier. When Ed Schafer ran for the Senate before he ran for Governor, he was still only second tier. The Senate race tended to elevate his exposure to de facto first tier.
"Oh you think he'll kick huh. I fear he could dodder on. But Kennedy will die soon. The draft Myth movement will start up and he'll spurn them."
That would require doing something REAL for the party. Funny thing is, that dumbass would actually enhance his rep were he to win that special election, but he'd soon find himself in a bind as soon as he cast a vote. With all eyes on him, he'd either have to vote "Conservative" as he markets himself as now or vote liberal (as he'd really prefer to). Double-edged sword for Slick Willard.
"This article indicates she does oppose it. It also says Palin is for it."
Of course, Palin is against it.
"The Prince, I've heard of him, he lost the primary in 06. He might have won in 1998. Ambercrombie had almost lost in 1996. Woah, really. Too bad it's seems to have faded to point he couldn't win a GOP primary."
He lost only by a hair to Bob Hogue in '06, apparently (though it's probably unlikely he'd have done much better). He was more high-profile in the '90s. He ran for a State House seat in November but fared poorly. Of course, when Duke Aiona runs for Governor, he could still pick him as a running mate, though he might prefer to pick a woman. Funny thing about Kawananakoa being a member of the Hawaiian Royal Family, there's been such a dilution of the line with Caucasian/Haole intermarriage that he pretty much looks just like a White guy. Of course, 10 years+ out of office is like being gone for a generation, rather forgotten.
"Fasi, the former rat. He should have run in the GOP primary if he wanted to be Governor. He sounds like a swelled head type to me."
Yeah, Fasi has a big ego. He formed his own party, the "Best Party", with that hand symbol. It frankly was more like a middle finger to the GOP. Had the '94 race been one on one between Cayetano and Saiki, I think Saiki would've likely won (of course, in that case, the big showdown in 2002 might've been between Lingle and Fred Hemmings, who would've been Lt Governor, now the Senate Minority Leader).
"I have a switchblade (illegal to carry in Chi-town)."
You're gonna need something with a bit more horsepower.
The problem is that a lot more people starved, died and went homeless under FDR than Hoover (and let us not forget he greatly exacerbated the Depression). FDR saddled us with gov’t programs that we still haven’t rid ourselves of today and should’ve long ago. If it wasn’t for his record on war policy (which at least helped to kick the GOP out of its isolationist naivete), I’d regard him domestically as the biggest Presidential disaster in the history of the Republic.
My point was that Reagan had to fight RINOs from the start of his political career. He had a lot more regard for DINOs than RINOs.
FReepers and other Conservatives didn’t pony up money to the GOP because the GOP refused to act like a Conservative party. Why would you give money to a party that chose to pump it into the campaigns of liberal RINOs while short-changing Conservatives and Conservative challengers ? I urged it myself, give DIRECTLY to the candidates of your choice.
68D-32R in the 89th Congress (1965-67). However, that was not the breakdown for Liberal vs. Conservative. A number of those R’s were left-wingers (such as Socialist Jacob Javits of NY).
Oh, I agree. Where the Democrats “get it” more than we do, they still go after seats in heavily GOP areas and manage to do well. We just give so many seats a pass, even in areas we OUGHT to have won. We should go after IL, absolutely. With a good candidate, we can cause the False Messiah a nice embarrassment on his home turf (much like how we did with Bubba in ‘96 when we took both the Senate seat and Governorship in AR).
In 1944 Roosevelt had a Missouri VP named Harry Truman. Bricker was a GOP Senator. In 1940 Roosevelt's VP was the commie Henry Wallace of Iowa. In 1932 and 1936 his VP was John Nance Garner of Texas.
In 1944 Roosevelt had a Missouri VP named Harry Truman. Bricker was a GOP Senator. In 1940 Roosevelt's VP was the commie Henry Wallace of Iowa. In 1932 and 1936 his VP was John Nance Garner of Texas.
Yeah, Governor (he wasn’t Senator until 1946) Bricker was Dewey’s running mate in ‘44.
They do that, especially when they smell blood in the water like they did in '06 and '08. They took out party heavyweights like Libby Dole, for cripes' sake. They're like sharks. The GOP could use a little more shark-like quality. When there's blood in the water, like in IL, we should swoop in.
The main reason the Ohio GOP lost was that the guys who ran it were crooks. If the unemployment rate goes over 10 % and there are some terrorist attacks, both of which I consider likely, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, and Florida will vote Republican again.
Too bad we can’t get Pete Fitzgerald back. He beat the machine and was reviled by the RINO Combiners. Ray “LaThug” got his reward for running him out of office by the False Messiah giving him a Cabinet post. Real nice.
As for other choices, either John Shimkus or Peter Roskam would be fine. Mark Kirk is 100% unacceptable.
Yeah, they sought to embarrass the GOP on Dick Cheney's turf by attempting to take out the weak and underperforming Barbara Cubin in WY in '06. Thankfully she stepped aside and we retained the seat with a stronger GOP woman.
"They took out party heavyweights like Libby Dole, for cripes' sake."
I think Liz Dole's heft was gravely overstated. When she won in 2002, that was the first race she'd ever really run. She took her race for granted in '08 and only fought back when it was too late. The fact that she lost to an insignificant SECOND tier nobody of a candidate was just testament to Dole's political incompetence. Sue Myrick probably would've been a preferable candidate to have run back in '02, and she at least knows how to win in an urban district.
"They're like sharks. The GOP could use a little more shark-like quality. When there's blood in the water, like in IL, we should swoop in."
You're preaching to the choir here. The GOP is just too nice, too sweet, too accommodating, too gutless. We let the Democrats rape and kill us and we say, "Thank you, sir, may I have another ?" I've said all along we should treat the Dems like the loudmouthed schoolyard bullies that they are and knock their f**king teeth down their throats, and not apologize for doing it. Hug-a-thug gets us precisely nothing.
Mistype...this would be the GOP candidate Thomas Dewey had a vice-president from Ohio...won Ohio but still lost the presidency. The point is that the GOP has never won the presidency without Ohio and has lost the presidency with Ohio only twice...Nixon (60) and Dewey (44). Sorry for mistake.
Ronald Reagan inspired a new generation of young people to vote republican.
George W Bush may have done just the opposite. Maybe it was the NeoCons and the Iraq War — I just don’t know what’s at the root of the problem.
A long hard recession may win back a lot of voters... the coming years of Obamanomics look like they’ll be a disaster for everyone. No amount of spin will salvage this for the Dems.
Not true...it’s estimated that 7 to 14 million starved and died of related illnesses under Hoover. Roosevelt...like him or not got aid to the common man...revisionist history.
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