'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[curiosity]

It needs to be bought into an objective court for a definitive ruling.

It is simply a fact that the 1952 immigration act did not allow a child to lose citizenship for being adopted abroad. It's right there in black and white.

If the court were to waste its time ruling on something this obvious, then it might as well go issuing rulings that the sky is blue.

[curiosity]

Our case is much stronger than any of the fringe lefties nutcase suits

Nope. It's very similar, actually.

[BP2]

After months of trying to get a copy of BO’s long form BC, what if one of the NBC lawyers got their hands on it and it said BO born in Kenya, father BO senior born in Kenya, Mother born in USA.

What do you think would be the turn of events?

Oh, I think we have SOMETHING we can use THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT BEST THING, since BHO seems to be withholding a $10 long form BC from the public...

Speculation aside on who the REAL father might be, let's turn to what we know for sure.

THIS from Fight The Smears: “As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

PLUS THIS prima facia evidence that we've had in the public arena for about a month now:

Here's the entire document: 1964 Obama Divorce

It's NOT part of Berg's case, nor any case that I'm aware of, although I know of a few attorneys who DO have certified copies in their possession. Pidgeon has considered it with a re-filing, but is waiting on a response from his plaintiff group on how they wish to proceed.

BUT, in the context we're discussing here in regards to the 14th Amendment and the NBC clause using Vattel's Law of Nations, which the SCOTUS has used to help define the documents of the Framers -- this information can easily be part of a new lawsuit, especially now that we know how to get beyond the "Standing" problem vexing earlier cases.

[Polarik]

AT BEST, Obama has openly admitted he was a dual citizen of the UK/Kenya from 1961 to 1982, nearly half of his life.

Obama's more like a dual citizen of Kenya and Indonesia than any citizen of America.

[mojitojoe]

Newly hired I see. Tell Axel and Shauna hi

[Chief Engineer]

From the comments about an article on Alvin Onaka we know that DOH in Hawaii regularly changes information which is on original vault copy birth certificates in their possession. I will include the article link here and advise to read the comments associated with the article, pay close attention to the first 17 comments.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/07/14/news/story07.html

[mojitojoe]

n other words, for those who are claiming Obama isn’t a citizen, the burden is on them to show that he is not.

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FK that, he works for US, not the other way around. He needs to man up and show it, but he won’t because he can’t.

[mojitojoe]

You really are afraid of what that BC will reveal, aren’t you????

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He sure is. I bet he changed his diaper 5 times in one hour of posting.

[Polarik]

It IS a part of two of Berg’s three suits, the third being brought against Barry Soetoro

[mojitojoe]

Afraid? No. To be afraid, I’d first have to care.

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You care enough to run over her with your little pre-printed talking points and post non stop. If you didn’t care you would ignore the issue.

[mojitojoe]

Are there any photos or first hand testimony of Stanley being pregnant? I don’t recall. I’ve heard people say it’s inconceivable that a pregnant woman would go to Africa, when she was near birth.

Is there any possibility that she went there to adopt a baby? We know how enamored she was of dark, foreign men. There’s a divorce paper trail, so apparently she married BO Sr. But there doesn’t seem any evidence that they ever lived together, or even much evidence that they were ever even seen together.

As a matter of fact, I don’t remember any evidence that Sr. was even around for the birth, and Sr. and Stanley lived in two different states for Jr.’s first year, and when Stanley then returned to Hawaii, Sr. had already left for Harvard. It very much seems like a marriage on paper only. Maybe at one time he was hoping to use the marriage as a way to become an American citizen.

From what I can tell about her, she was pretty weird and messed up. I suppose there’s a possibility that adopting a dark baby from Sr.’s home country may have been an attempt to pull Sr. closer. And in parallel with Sr.’s apparent lack of concern about having a child or a wife, Stanely certainly did not seem like she was a very maternal person. That could happen if it wasn’t her birth child and she was adopting a kid for immature reasons for her own devices.

Are we aware if anything in the timeline or evidence that would preclude Jr. not being Stanley’s child by birth?

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I’ve thought of that scenario too, but he does have that long, ugly, Jay Leno chin like Stanely and grandpa.

[Iowan]

Thanks, BP2

Ping/

[mojitojoe]

has nothing to do with Kenyan’s laws. The poster is talking about Obama’s loyalties (you knew that). If someone feels more connected to another country than their own, any in/action on their part may have more to do with their own feelings than with what is best for the country they are in charge of. What in the world has that to do with Kenyan law?

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All one has to do is read his books, and it's obvious this man cares nothing about this country and in fact despises it. He is enamored with Africa and the black race. He does nothing but put down whites in his books.

[BP2]

>>> It IS a part of two of Berg’s three suits, the third being brought against Barry Soetoro

Berg had SOME of the divorce papers of the 1980 Soetoro divorce only.

A research group I work with found the MISSING papers of the 1980 Soetoro divorce with the help of a private investigator, PLUS discovered the 1964 Obama divorce papers that Berg didn’t have until we provided them to him in early January. They would not be a part of his three cases since all were initiated BEFORE we found them.

The only exception MAY be if the NEW papers were part of the Jan 20 re-filing of the Oct 31st with the 3rd Circuit, or part of the SEALED case that we wouldn’t know about.

[mojitojoe]

I’m just interested in ruling things out, when possible. It just occurred to me that it may be an assumption that she gave birth to him. Given that he won’t release his original birth certificate, what do we actually really *know*? So I’m wondering what *evidence* there is that she was actually pregnant (it could be out there, and I’m just not aware of it)

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No pictures and not one person has mentioned seeing her pregnant or seeing her with Sr. while she was pregnant.

[mojitojoe]

He’s axelturfing, dominating the thread, they do it all over the internet, same old talking points over and over. They must be given scripts.

[Polarik]

this caught my eye: Hawaii was already working on a process called Electronic Verification of Vital Event (EVVE), and it is piloting a national system, Onaka said.

If a person goes to a Social Security office, for example, and presents a birth certificate from Hawaii, the office can input five pieces of information, access a secure database in Hawaii and get a "yes" or "no" answer on whether it is the same information, he said.

Do anybody know anyone who works in an SS office?

[canaan]

LOL Well, it’s not “my” adoption. But to me, it’s not odd for tall people to have long fingers and long faces. Having said that, I think the odds are that he was Stanley’s son. It’s just that with all this speculation and repetitive back and forth from people who don’t want this all investigated, I’m trying to figure out, for myself, exactly what we *know*, as opposed to what we believe or are assuming.

(And I understand what you’re saying about pregnant photos, but your two pictures of when you were pregnant are two more than we’ve seen from Stanley. It’s just so weird that there is so little documentation of his life, you know?

[canaan]

LOL Well, it’s not “my” adoption. But to me, it’s not odd for tall people to have long fingers and long faces. Having said that, I think the odds are that he was Stanley’s son. It’s just that with all this speculation and repetitive back and forth from people who don’t want this all investigated, I’m trying to figure out, for myself, exactly what we *know*, as opposed to what we believe or are assuming.

(And I understand what you’re saying about pregnant photos, but your two pictures of when you were pregnant are two more than we’ve seen from Stanley. It’s just so weird that there is so little documentation of his life, you know?

[Michael Michael]

BUT, in the context we're discussing here in regards to the 14th Amendment and the NBC clause using Vattel's Law of Nations, which the SCOTUS has used to help define the documents of the Framers

It has been English common law which has determined citizenship since before our founding and after. After our founding, the states maintained the English common law as their state laws unless the state's constitution or statues stated otherwise.

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself by Googling "reception statutes."

None of the states veered from the English common law with respect to citizenship. The "natural born" of Article II is the "natural born" of the English common law. Which is jus soli, meaning you were a citizen of the United States by having been born in the United States, regardless of whether or not your parents were US citizens.