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Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel?
Jerusalem Post ^ | December 10, 2008 | ETGAR LEFKOVITS

Posted on 12/10/2008 9:29:13 AM PST by NYer

A deluge that swept the Land of Israel more than 7,000 years ago, submerging six Neolithic villages opposite the Carmel Mountains, is the origin of the biblical flood of Noah, a British marine archeologist said Tuesday.

The new theory about the source of the great flood detailed in the Book of Genesis comes amid continuing controversy among scholars over whether the inundation of the Black Sea more than seven millennia ago was the biblical flood.

In the theory posited by British marine archeologist Dr. Sean Kingsley and published in the Bulletin of the Anglo-Israeli Archaeological Society, the drowning of the Carmel Mountains villages - which include houses, temples, graves, water wells, workshops and stone tools - is by far "the most compelling" archeological evidence exposed to date for Noah's flood.

"What's more convincing scientifically, a flood in the Black Sea, so far away from Israel and the fantasy of a supposed ark marooned on the slopes of Mount Ararat, or six submerged Neolithic villages smack-bang in the middle of the Bible Land?" Kingsley said in a telephone interview with The Jerusalem Post.


The panel depicting the Deluge from Michelangelo Buonarotti's frescoed ceiling in the Sistine Chapel, Rome, painted circa 1508-1512. Photo: Courtesy

He added that the site, which has been excavated by Israeli archeologist Dr. Ehud Galili over the last quarter-century, offers a "pretty convincing cocktail of coincidences," including submerged layers of villages in a critical location, and one that was known for its nautical revolution.

But Galili rejected Kingsley's theory, saying Tuesday that it could not be true.

"Based on our archeological finds, the village was not abandoned due to a catastrophic event, but due to the slow rise of sea levels which occurred all over the world," he said. "The pace of the increase in the sea level was very slow, so that it would not be significant enough for people to remember it in the course of their lifetime."

Galili noted that, following the major tsunami that hit Asia, there was a scientific trend in the world to hunt for mega-disasters that happened in the past.

"We did not find any proofs which indicate that a tsunami or other such catastrophe flooded the villages, even though there are proofs that a tsunami did occur in the Mediterranean Sea," he said.

Kingsley, a self-declared atheist, said he had begun studying the origins of Noah's flood five years ago as a result of his interest into "how mythologies came into existence," as well as a desire to connect the biblical story with global warming.

The alternate theory that the inundation of the Black Sea around 5,600 BCE was the source of the biblical flood is called into question by the fact that no villages, houses, cemeteries or graves have ever been found under its waves, Kingsley said.

Scholars agree the Black Sea flooded when rising world sea levels caused the Mediterranean to burst over land, turning the freshwater lake into a saltwater sea. The flood was so monstrous that it raised water levels by 155 meters and submerged up to 150,000 square kilometers of land.

But scholars are divided on when the flood occurred, and how rapidly. Most believe it took place about 9,000 years ago and was gradual.

The date of the massive flooding on the Carmel Coast, which Kingsley estimates to have taken place between the sixth and fifth millennia BCE, is another unknown.

"The precise timing of this localized flooding is still being worked out, but there is no doubt that the villages of the Carmel were lost not to earthquakes or tectonic movements but to killer waves," Kingsley said.

The lost villages cluster opposite the Carmel Mountains in depths of 12 meters. Atlit-Yam, 10 meters south of Haifa, is the largest submerged Neolithic village in the Mediterranean Sea.

Kingsley's theory about the origin of Noah's flood, an independent archeologist said, is interesting but dubious.

"Whether or not one can make a direct link between the biblical story and the submerged Neolithic sites is doubtful," said Prof. Shimon Gibson, an archeologist with the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. "But it does show that episodes of substantial flooding did occur in these parts of the world and that that kind of fear would have existed within the cultural conscientiousness [sic] of ancient peoples.

"The bottom line," he concluded, "is that overall evidence of [a] world submerged in flood does not exist."


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To: TXnMA

If that was the only sentence you’d be right. Taking it by itself is taking it out of context.

The context is that the flood waters rose 15 cubits higher that the highest mountain on earth. It has already been established in Genesis that the flood waters covered the whole earth before this statement. this statement just provides EXTRA information by telling you how high the water actually was, and it was 15 cubits HIGHER than the highest mountain.


41 posted on 12/10/2008 1:45:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: TXnMA

did the mariana trench exist pre-flood or during?

What would happen if the ocean floors were to be upheaved to our present sea level?

If there was only one supercontinent, why would one assume Everest OR the Mariana trench, either one, would exist?


42 posted on 12/10/2008 1:46:55 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: TXnMA

You are assuming that Everest existed then. When the ‘fountains of the deep broke open, you are talking massive fault line earthquakes and tectonic upheaval, with certain plates sinking, and certain plates rising, crashing together, and forming mountains.

If Everest did exist before the flood, then yes it was covered. If not, it was created during settling and tectonic instabilities during or after the flood.


43 posted on 12/10/2008 1:48:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dfwgator

Don’t worry, some of us got it.

“Noah, How long can you tread water?”


44 posted on 12/10/2008 1:48:39 PM PST by ParadigmLost (Ayn Rand was right. - Atlas is going to shrug.)
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To: MrB

Why are you assuming one supercontinent? The continents aren’t ‘floating’ or loose. If you look at where some of the plate boundaries are they are nowhere near the edge of continents.


45 posted on 12/10/2008 1:49:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Oh, I wasn’t assuming anything, geographically, and I would caution everyone else from assuming that the pre-flood earth’s geography looked anything like it does today.


46 posted on 12/10/2008 1:55:44 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB

Thanks for the clarification. Personally I think great, great changes took place to the earth’s surface from the activity described in the worldwide flood.


47 posted on 12/10/2008 2:22:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yeah, post-flood earth was a VERY different place than pre-flood earth. Unrecognizable, I’m sure.


48 posted on 12/10/2008 2:23:40 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: TalBlack
Son of who?
49 posted on 12/10/2008 2:43:29 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ParadigmLost

“Am I on Candid Camera?”


51 posted on 12/10/2008 3:17:18 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: massgopguy
First, the Flood of Gilgamesh doesn't come close to the Noahic flood.

Second, the Bible says that the entire earth [erets] was covered with the water about the highest hills being 15 cubits of water. Tough to do with a "local" flood. Your reasoning doesn't hold up.

BTW - there is nothing in the text that would lead one to conclude that the water covered the "known" world. It is just not there. The Hebrew word is the common word for the land, the earth, the ground. There is no concept of a "known" world...that is foreign to Hebrew.

52 posted on 12/10/2008 4:10:44 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Knara

Apparently you have not studied this subject very carefully. There is an abundance of evidence of a world-wide flood. And there are significant differences in the two accounts of the flood...sufficient to indicate they are not the same!


54 posted on 12/10/2008 4:51:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Knara
A comparative study of the flood accounts in the Gilgamesh Epic and Genesis
56 posted on 12/10/2008 8:51:53 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Knara
Noah’s Flood and the Gilgamesh Epic
57 posted on 12/10/2008 8:54:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Knara
Problems with a Global Flood?
58 posted on 12/10/2008 9:04:59 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Knara
Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of ‘billions of years’ of Earth history.

But look at the problems this concept involves:


59 posted on 12/10/2008 9:13:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: NYer; Fractal Trader

:’) thanks NYer, Fractal Trader, and Coleus!

Did Noah’s Flood start in the Carmel?
The Jerusalem Post | 10 Dec 2008 | Etgar Lefkovits
Posted on 12/10/2008 9:25:29 AM PST by BGHater
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60 posted on 12/11/2008 1:08:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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