Posted on 11/28/2008 9:00:33 PM PST by ckilmer
The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.
"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant on a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on the birth certificate dispute.
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God, I hope you're wrong. I think everyone here does, including you.
Omni, if it goes down wrong, we have to get up and fight this usurper like nobody's business. Our whole way of life will depend on it.
Yes. Not in war, but on the streets where I grew up.
I know what it's like to be a nanosecond away from taking someone's precious life. And I know what it's like to see my life flash before my eyes, because the danger I faced came *that* close to ending my life.
Yes. I've been there many times.
I've been a book junkie all my life, but I never read that one. I'm familiar with the title, just not the story. Pardon my ignorance, but is it about the Revolutionary War period?
You have a point and I do not mean to suggest that all is hopeless. It isn’t, and I think the conservatives can win. That said, I think my annoyance comes from people, not necessarily here, who make posts of what they will do, and you can tell that they are not serious.
I think it is serious. I cannot see into the future, but I can see into the past. Not as good, but it’s all I have. This has happened before in many places. People in those times and places thought it couldn’t happen. The reasoning was that it just couldn’t. We know that it did.
The Germans were not cowards, nor were they stupid. They were not given a flashpoint. The time when the flag was raised and someone yelled ‘rally round me boys’ never came. So they watched as their freedoms and their decency were compromised bit by bit.
Now you may say, well we will be watching! Were you watching when Blackwater security was deployed domestically? When National Guardsmen went around door to door seizing firearms during Katrina? When ACORN and Project Vote committed election fraud and nothing was done? When Hillary voters were physically intimidated from voting?
When it comes it will come softly in the night and you will wake to a country you do not know. To act. To do something then, will require you to do something that many cannot do. Face public embarrassment. You will be the wild haired loon shrieking ‘watch the skies, watch the skies’. You will be an embarrassment. Most people cannot do that. John McCain lost the election because he didn’t want to be called a mean name.
People you think will stand by you won’t because you will embarrass them. That’s why I believe Rush and the others haven’t covered the birth certificate issue. When it becomes publicly acceptable they will cover it. The faster we make it so, the better.
What I believe, is that before it comes to that, there will be wholesale mutiny in the ranks.
Don't forget that these people are our brothers, sisters, uncles, cousins, fathers, and friends. They will not obey such an order.
WANTED!!! URGENT!!! WANTED!!!
1. YouTube or other video of the 2004 Illinois Senate debate of Dr. Keyes and Barack Obama. It was the 2nd debate between them and an amateur video. The title of the video on YouTube, until it was removed recently was, “What Obama Doesn’t Want You to Know.”
2. The following names Ann Dunham, Anne Dunham, Anna Toot, Stanley Dunham and spelling iterations on all names. Any information regarding her whereabouts in 1961-1962, schools and universities, travel by ship or plane, or friends during that time period
3. News articles for BO’s earlier years. Search additional names (all possible iterations)
a. Barack Hussein Dunham
b. Barry Dunham
c. Barry Soetero
4. Anne Dunham’s (and various spellings) friends circa 1961
a. Maxine Box - Mercer Island High
b. Susan Blake
c. Barbara Cannon Rusk
d. John W. Hunt
e. Hal and Shirley Abercrombie
5. Anne Dunham’s Timeline of locations during August 1961
6. Timeline of BHO Sr. and Anne Dunham’s courtship and marriage (if marriage occurred)
7. Anne Dunham’s (and spelling iterations) for the following Seattle WA locations:
a. Laurel Hurst Dormitory (married students housing?)
b. Capital Hill Apts or District
8. Soetero divorce - who was atty handling and is he/she alive?
9. BHO Sr 3rd Wife Ruth Nidersand or Nightsand
10. Mark and David Obama - one lives in Shenzen China and builds websites for Chinese firms
11. David Mendele - HI Biographer - please locate.
12. Ella Cook - Sponsor of BHO Sr.
13. A vid or audio tape of BO’s Kenyan grandmother stating that she witnessed his birth in Kenya. (We have the Mike in the Morning conversation with Kenyan Amb.)
14. We need lists of electors for each state and the requirements: what are the requirements to be the electors in each state.
A number of voters were stating that when they asked for those lists from the SOS in their states, they either didn’t get them, were denied the right to get the lists or they kept getting corrected lists.
Your friends, relatives, or acquaintances may have relevant information vital to this legal action. Net Warriors, we need your help.
Please forward information to FreedomMarch@live.com
Absolutely. Or the film "Wallace". Another patriot of immense honor and courage.
You’ve got it. We have to get this INTO public discussion.
The truth is that Barack Obama is probably qualified to be POTUS. But for all of the future of this country, we NEED to make SURE of that, and the people who protest so much and call the request itself racist might be idiots or they might be in on some kind of treachery. We won’t know until we know the documents are in order and “natural born” is fully clarified vis a vis dual nationalities and so forth.
We need the country to care about their Constitution. It’s only a Republic if we can keep it, as Ben Franklin said so long ago. We need to duck the barrage of name-calling and inform America that we are nothing as a nation without our Constitution. This is no time to treat it like an Etch-a-sketch.
My understanding is that Obama had British citizenship at birth. He's even made this statement on his own website. It's also been claimed that because he never affirmed his British citizenship upon his 18th birthday, that it automatically expired.
I've read also that claims upon a person's citizenship have no bearing upon their legal citizenship status within the US. If Obama can prove that he was born in Hawaii, he might have legal claim upon American citizenship, but even then, there is doubt about his ability to claim "natural born citizen" status, even if the foregoing is held to be true.
There's so much to learn about this, and so much in the way of quotes and passages from legal opinions, statutes, and the Constitution, that it's hard to retain it all. I just keep reading, and letting it all sink in. Number of times over equals certainty, you know. Keep studying.
Sage advice, FJ. I've been a forum jockey long enough that I ought to know that.
You guess wrong, amigo.
My current occupation is a paid body guard. Not much chance of being shot but the possibilty is there. What do you do?
Who me? I'm just your friendly neighborhood salesman, but I used to lead a much more exiting life.
Personally, I tell them all to FOAD. It ain't over til it's over. Read into that what you will.
That's what I like to hear! Between this shape shifter Obama and the 8 trillion dollar Wall St meltdown we have a huge mess on our hands. Its like a Twilight Zone episode where we take a wrong turn into a bizarre town on the edge of nowhere
Wow. That’s amazing that you know Obama voters who already have buyer’s remorse. These people are obviously up on the facts of the bc issue.
The truth is the only thing that can break Obama’s grip on people’s minds. Good on these folks for having the courage to read it. Most Obots are too far gone to accept truth any longer.
I agree!! We need to encourage each other. We know we are up against some odds, but such has been the history of our nation. Over and over we rise to the occasion. We must STAND together, but stand we must!!!! We must relay information, but being overly negative helps no one. We need reality, YES, but BELIEVING is so important to anything (within reason) becoming reality. We need to believe and pray for God to intervene and for America to wake up. I must say that I am encouraged by what I'm beginning to see. Even Scalia said recently that he was encouraged by the growing interest in preserving the original intent of the Constitution!! Take heart. This is far from over.
There is no action without thought. You can't move a muscle without deciding to first.
First thing any person has to do when faced with an evil like Obama is to choose to fight back. Make a choice. You don't even have to get out of your chair to do it. Action will follow, but you've got to decide first.
Once you've done that, write to your elected representatives and inform them that it's their constitutional duty to demand all of the facts regarding Obama's "natural born citizen" bona fides. Tell them that they must demand proof that he actually meets the constitutional qualification to be President.
That's a good start.
area of the 9th Ward,,,(5-600 guns total),,,
Blackwater (a few) were deployed in the area of city hall.
There is still 125 LANG deployed in NOLA (last count),,,
They still cannot control the 9th Ward area,,,
One small area of a city of 250,000(last count),,,
No Way the Military can control the entire USA!!!...
That mythical force only exists in the fevered minds of would be dictators, and in particular, a certain megalomaniac pretender to the throne of Emperor King of the US.
Pretty sure I have. You only asked one, and I replied.
>> "Think before you flap your gums." <<
What the hell? I stand up and take the criticism like a man, apologize for any misbehavior, and you want to piss on me?
FOAD
That mythical force only exists in the fevered minds of would be dictators, and in particular, a certain megalomaniac pretender to the throne of Emperor King of the US.
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Spot On my FRiend!!!
My Dad called those “pipe dreams”,,,
Makes ya’ wonder what some folks are smokin’...:0/
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