Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.
A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.
Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.
In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.
This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
LOL....last I checked it was your side suing to enforce your views!
Speaking of questions asked...when will you tell us what godless liberals have done for this country...I mean other than rip it to shreds of course!
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Someone putting their own interpretation on top of God’s Word, and then saying the combination is false probably falls under this.
Some folks that start arguing from a point of ignorance require too much education about what they’re referring to in order to have an intelligent conversation with, IF they are seeking understanding at all and not just trying to snipe, eh?
I’m sure you understand the context of Genesis 1 & 2 and why it isn’t worth discussing with someone without that contextual understanding.
Kind of ironic isn’t it? They call intelligent design stupid. They call the “appearance” of design an illusion. They sound more like magicians than scientists.
So, you are saying the ID'er is GOD? I thought ID meant that it could be space aliens.
You go first. If the Pope believes evolution to be true as he has stated (he was quoted accurately) has he picked the side of evil in this “spiritual war” your talking about?
Intelligent design essentially backs the Adam and Eve “theory” of creation? Who knew. I guess all those I.D. guys are a bunch of liars for saying they are not promoting creationism.
The Pope said he believes that Evolution is true, but that it cannot rule out God. This is not I.D.. It is the same thing I believe. No Science can “rule out” God; neither can they “rule in” God and still be Science.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
The pontiff, speaking as he was concluding his holiday in northern Italy, also said that while there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory could not exclude a role by God.
“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
Pope Benedict XVI
I have no problem with a religious person stating that God directed evolution, however, since there is not proof it should be kept out of the science classes. Do you support the Pope's position?
Interpretation. One cannot take the Bible literally but must interpret. Thanks.
he did not adopt a strictly scientific view of the origins if life, believing instead that God created life through evolution.He said he "would not depend on faith alone to explain the whole picture".
As well as praising scientific progress, the Pope's views, published in a new book 'Schoepfung unt Evolution' (Creation and Evolution), did not endorse the creationist, or 'intelligent design' view of life's origins.
So tell me, now that you have read the above, does the Pope’s endorsement of ID mean he is “stupid”?
The pope endorses the ID movement which specifically states that the ID'er may not be God and their chief witness stated that the ID'er may be dead since we have seen no evidence of his creation in the last few hundred million years of evolution?
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Seems like that is what you are guilty when you try to conceptually interpretate Genesis instead of taking it literally.
==Intelligent design essentially backs the Adam and Eve “theory” of creation? Who knew. I guess all those I.D. guys are a bunch of liars for saying they are not promoting creationism.
Either you are ignorant or dishonest. Anyone who understands the ID movement knows better than to suggest that they believe in the “Adam and Eve theory of creation” (aka YEC). YECers are routinely banned from ID forums because they use the Bible as historical evidence for YEC. IDers have limited themselves to searching for evidence of design in nature, and don't allow God's Word to help guide their research. It just shows you know next to nothing about the growing ID movement you are always criticizing. If you're going to mouth off about ID, at least take the time to know what you're talking about. That way you won't look like a fool.
The Pope allows for limited evolution and ID allows for limited evolution. I see no evidence to suggest that the Pope has changed his position re: ID.
There are plenty of opportunities for non-beleivers to know God and at the same time there will be those who reject Him no matter how many opportunities to learn of Him...
and now after participating in some of these threads I NOW realize that there will be those that could literally be sat on God’s knee for ga-jillions of jillions of years and be explained and re-explained the truth, very patiently by God Himself, with God finally exclaiming: “Well, I know I’ve tried”!
You have provided no support for the idea that the Pope believes “life was originally frontloaded by an intelligently designer.” Just because the Pope maintains God was behind it all doesn’t mean he buys your definition of what that means.
I think this “everyone who doesn’t share my particular religious belifs is a godless liberal” routine of yours is bullshit, and you can put it where the sun doesn’t shine, and rotate on it.
==The pope endorses the ID movement which specifically states that the ID’er may not be God and their chief witness stated that the ID’er may be dead since we have seen no evidence of his creation in the last few hundred million years of evolution?
I’m not saying the Pope considers himself a member of the ID movement, I’m saying he endorses the concept of ID generally, and that he believes the ID’er is the God of the Bible.
PS I am not an ID’er. I am YEC. ID only goes as far as what nature tells us about the designer. YECers rely on the historical record recounted by God in the Bible to help guide their research. Which makes YEC research project far superior to either Darwin’s ToE or ID.
I never said what you seem to think I said.
Moreover the Pope never endorsed I.D. in fact he characterized it as a “God of the gaps” argument, which is exactly the case.
So seeings as how the Pope believes that evolution is the means whereby God created human beings does that mean that the Pope has chosen the “evil” side of this “spiritual war” you are talking about? Why do you keep avoiding the question? You have no hesitation in calling me evil for believing in the same sort of theistic evolution as the Pope.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447930/Pope-Benedict-believes-evolution.html
As well as praising scientific progress, the Pope's views, published in a new book ‘Schoepfung unt Evolution’ (Creation and Evolution), did not endorse the creationist, or ‘intelligent design’ view of life's origins.
In the book, Benedict defended what is known as ‘theistic evolution’, the view held by Roman Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant churches, that God created life through evolution and religion and science need not clash over this.
“I would not depend on faith alone to explain the whole picture,” he remarked during the discussion held at the papal summer palace in Castel Gandolfo outside Rome.
He also denied using a ‘God-of-the-gaps’ argument that sees divine intervention whenever science cannot explain something.
“It's not as if I wanted to stuff the dear God into these gaps - he is too great to fit into such gaps,” he said in the book that publisher Sankt Ulrich Verlag in Augsburg said would later be translated into other languages.
Creation and Evolution), did not endorse the creationist, or ‘intelligent design’ view of life’s origins.
Did he endorse Genesis?
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