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To: allmendream
Sorry, Allmendream, the Pope is not an evo, he's a proponent of ID, which allows for limited evolution, but maintains that life was originally frontloaded by an intelligently designer. That is a far cry from what you believe. Moreover, the Pope fired his chief astronomer for attacking ID, and now he's dismantling and moving the entire observatory his chief astronomer used to be in charge of to a disused convent down the road. If I didn't know any better, I'd say THE POPE IS CLEANING HOUSE.

==Intelligent design essentially backs the Adam and Eve “theory” of creation? Who knew. I guess all those I.D. guys are a bunch of liars for saying they are not promoting creationism.

Either you are ignorant or dishonest. Anyone who understands the ID movement knows better than to suggest that they believe in the “Adam and Eve theory of creation” (aka YEC). YECers are routinely banned from ID forums because they use the Bible as historical evidence for YEC. IDers have limited themselves to searching for evidence of design in nature, and don't allow God's Word to help guide their research. It just shows you know next to nothing about the growing ID movement you are always criticizing. If you're going to mouth off about ID, at least take the time to know what you're talking about. That way you won't look like a fool.

872 posted on 08/22/2008 2:31:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
It was your source that equated the two; saying ... “the Holy See’s endorsement of “intelligent design” theory, which essentially backs the “Adam and Eve” theory of creation.”

Moreover the Pope never endorsed I.D. in fact he characterized it as a “God of the gaps” argument, which is exactly the case.

So seeings as how the Pope believes that evolution is the means whereby God created human beings does that mean that the Pope has chosen the “evil” side of this “spiritual war” you are talking about? Why do you keep avoiding the question? You have no hesitation in calling me evil for believing in the same sort of theistic evolution as the Pope.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447930/Pope-Benedict-believes-evolution.html

As well as praising scientific progress, the Pope's views, published in a new book ‘Schoepfung unt Evolution’ (Creation and Evolution), did not endorse the creationist, or ‘intelligent design’ view of life's origins.

In the book, Benedict defended what is known as ‘theistic evolution’, the view held by Roman Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant churches, that God created life through evolution and religion and science need not clash over this.

“I would not depend on faith alone to explain the whole picture,” he remarked during the discussion held at the papal summer palace in Castel Gandolfo outside Rome.

He also denied using a ‘God-of-the-gaps’ argument that sees divine intervention whenever science cannot explain something.

“It's not as if I wanted to stuff the dear God into these gaps - he is too great to fit into such gaps,” he said in the book that publisher Sankt Ulrich Verlag in Augsburg said would later be translated into other languages.

879 posted on 08/22/2008 2:49:23 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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