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Supreme Court meets to issue opinions, orders (Washington DC Gun Ban)
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | May 27, 2008 | AP

Posted on 05/27/2008 7:51:39 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

The Supreme Court is meeting to issue opinions and announce whether it has accepted any new cases.

Major cases still undecided include the rights of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., and whether people convicted of raping children can be given the death penalty.

The court's term ends in late June.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; billofrights; dc; heller; parker; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; supremecourt; supremes; ussc
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To: teeman8r
it may be that the court will say that it is up to local governments to set their own restrictions, but the federal government is prohibited from doing so...

I don't think that the ruling will be so sweeping. Such a ruling would automatically decide the 14th Amendment incorporation issue, which isn't before the Court. They will address (IMHO) only restrictions on the Fed.gov, as DC's government is a wholly-owned subsidiary (i.e. it literally exists because of a Congressional resolution and, therefore, is subject to the same restrictions on its actions).

I don't know the result (though I know what it SHOULD be), but one thing I know for certain - there will be more gun cases in federal court, and soon. If the SC substantially or wholly upholds the Circuit Court decision, then a case will be filed against Chicago using this case as a basis for the claim, and reasoning that the 14th must apply the restrictions on the fed.gov to any state or subsidiary thereof. My understanding is that the case is ready to be filed, with just a bit of detail work and polishing necessary.

221 posted on 05/29/2008 8:52:46 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Later, some of the ATF agents shouted the following comment at the body of Randy’s wife, Vicki: “We had pancakes for breakfast, Mrs. Weaver, what did you have?”

Oh it get's much worse than that. With her dead body on the front porch and her infant trapped beneath her body the agents would call out to Randy still forted up in the cabin: Hey Randy, we hear the baby cryin.' Why don't you just stick your head out anc check on the poor thing? They finally got Bo Gritz the highly decorated special forces soldier to come in and mediate the surrender. Later, famed defense attorney Gerry Spence took his case for free and won on showing how poor the government had constructed their own case without actually even putting on his own defense.

I remember the stuff about the Aryan Nations, whose property just happened to border Weaver's. But Weaver was an isolationist. He wasn't a so called racist or segregationist as the press tried to paint him, he just wanted to be left alone with his family and the feds wouldn't let him. Understand, I'm not in any way trying to put a nice face on this. I also find it interesting that everytime you see our government acting like nazi storm troops against John Q. Citizen, somewhere lurking around is a case for the BATFE. Then if they screw it up, the case goes to the FBI and gives them a shot ('scuse the wording) at screwing the pooch. Like with the Weaver arrest.

I know the whole entrapment story with the shortened shotguns. Randy should have gone directly to the US Attorney when the whole scheme was dumped on him. Or better yet, the PRESS. Also, even if you're given the wrong date to appear in court, it is still your responsibility to be proactive and find out where and when you're supposed to appear and then....GO! Randy was still stupid in this. But not as stupid as the idiot feds who tried to pull this one off in the first place. There was one of them who wasn't stupid, he's a murderer: LON HORIUCHI was the FBI sniper that popped the wife. I heard he was also at Waco, giving "advice" during the standoff.

222 posted on 05/29/2008 9:19:28 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: sam_paine

Alright. Before we go consuming material published by Loompanics, it should be noted that this is the SAME publishing operation that gave that notorious — and egregiously wrong — tax evader, Irwin Schiff, a platform by publishing his amusing work “The Federal Mafia”.

To assert that Loompanics is source of highly credible material requires — how shall I say it? — the “suspension of disbelief”.

Not saying all of what you posted is invalid, just that the specific cite doesn’t help the case you were making.


223 posted on 05/29/2008 1:27:09 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Only The Tribulation is a crucible sufficient to the emergence of a Bride fit for her Bridegroom God)
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To: HKMk23
Not saying all of what you posted is invalid, just that the specific cite doesn’t help the case you were making.

I was making the case that opinions differ on the effective health of the BOR. Except for quartering soldiers. I think we can all agree that we're solid on that one.

224 posted on 05/29/2008 3:14:01 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: The KG9 Kid
If you were going to get a first pistol for yourself LibertyRocks, that is the one to get.

Agreed. My *version* is a Ruger Mk 512 (MkII with a target bull barrel), and any pistol in that series is a certifiable "tack driver", extremely accurate...

the infowarrior

225 posted on 05/29/2008 3:22:35 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: ExSoldier
Oh it get's much worse than that. With her dead body on the front porch and her infant trapped beneath her body the agents would call out to Randy still forted up in the cabin:

Let's not forget what went down in his original arrest in February of that year. The federal agents started the "takedown" by physically assaulting Mrs Weaver tackling her to the ground, which in Feb in Idaho would be covered in snow, so any rocks would be hidden. Now, Mrs Weaver was not the subject of an arrest warrant, so where do they get off with this?

This is violation of rights under color of law, and in my mind, is arguably the reason that she ended up dead. The only "excuse" ever given for this was that they believed Mrs Weaver was carrying a gun in her purse. Now unless one of those federal agents was named Clark Kent, the only way they could have known this was by checking local concealed carry records. So, she was assaulted by federal agents for simply *legally* exercising her Second Amendment rights. Think about it...

the infowarrior

226 posted on 05/29/2008 3:34:52 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: ExSoldier

Anyone know where he is today?


227 posted on 05/29/2008 4:02:02 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: DuncanWaring

I’ll see if I can’t find a copy. Thanks! :-)


228 posted on 05/29/2008 7:19:11 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand

There seem to be plenty available through the Amazon-affiliated used-booksellers.


229 posted on 05/29/2008 7:32:55 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: rahbert

It’s been conjectured that he’s holed-up at an FBI facility at Quantico, VA.


230 posted on 05/29/2008 7:35:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

That’s what I was thinking. I’ll give the title to my wife and it will “magically” appear. :-)


231 posted on 05/29/2008 7:37:33 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Domandred

That pics a beauty!


232 posted on 05/30/2008 4:43:41 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Terrorism....... it's a growth industry.)
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To: Tzimisce

That dirty, double-crossing bastard! How dare he run off with Richard Nixon.


233 posted on 05/30/2008 11:11:03 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: bill1952
Certain classes are excluded from enjoyment of certain rights afforded to others, i.e., felons - and that is a lifelong term - have no collective, class, or individual right to claim certain other civil rights such as voting

Very common misconception. Commonly believed right here on FR in fact. However, totally wrong. Only fourteen states require any sort of process or request to have voting rights restored after completion of all supervised release, upon completion of parole or simply upon release from prison. The other thirty four have automatic restore provisions. There are two states, Vermont and Maine, that allow voting from prison.

Link

234 posted on 05/31/2008 5:53:04 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

However, totally wrong.

No, it is totally correct to argue that States have the absolute right - settled law - to exclude certain classes from voting.
I have so filed and argued exactly that without any plausible retort.


235 posted on 05/31/2008 6:50:39 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: bill1952
No, it is totally correct to argue that States have the absolute right - settled law - to exclude certain classes from voting.

You can argue it, but there is not a single state anywhere in the U.S. that absolutly excludes felons from voting.

236 posted on 05/31/2008 6:56:56 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Not a disaster for liberals...An Opportunity to say...Hey, there is no doubt that the right to bear arms is a right....SCOTUS has left no doubt....BUT...

Just like SCOTUS left no doubt about killing babies is a "right". (Wrong!!!) There is no "right to kill" except in self defense.

237 posted on 05/31/2008 9:31:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: hiredhand

If you haven’t also got a copy of “Up Front”, that would be good to add to the list, too.


238 posted on 05/31/2008 3:40:01 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks!


239 posted on 05/31/2008 6:34:21 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: The KG9 Kid
Clement resigned ahead of the finding in DC v. Heller because he'd gotten wind of the internal debate at SCOTUS gleaned from their legal aides as well as what legal references they were researching on behalf of the individual justices.

Do I understand correctly, then, that Clement argued a grabber's brief in Silviera vs. Lockyer?

And is he,then, carrying water for Pres. Bush in arguing such briefs? We know the Bush Administration has twice now -- in Emerson and now in Heller, argued that RKBA is both an individual right, and one that can be regulated out the wazoo. In Heller they're arguing for every restrictive federal gun law ever written. Perhaps DoJ and the Solicitor General think they have a positive obligation to play goalie for every federal law on the books, but I don't buy it.

Further: If Clement is getting inside whispers from the network of Supreme Court clerks, then does that mean he's a Harvard guy tied into Laurence Tribe's intelligence network of former students serving as clerks for the Justices?

Tribe himself has said, all unwillingly, that his reading of 2A is that it's very broad in the rights it confirms to individuals and binds to the States. Is he nevertheless logrolling behind the scenes (and maybe losing, if Clement resigned) for a restrictive ruling that favors the Solicitor General's interpretation of a broad, but infinitely infringible 2A?

240 posted on 06/01/2008 2:48:08 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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