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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Later, some of the ATF agents shouted the following comment at the body of Randy’s wife, Vicki: “We had pancakes for breakfast, Mrs. Weaver, what did you have?”

Oh it get's much worse than that. With her dead body on the front porch and her infant trapped beneath her body the agents would call out to Randy still forted up in the cabin: Hey Randy, we hear the baby cryin.' Why don't you just stick your head out anc check on the poor thing? They finally got Bo Gritz the highly decorated special forces soldier to come in and mediate the surrender. Later, famed defense attorney Gerry Spence took his case for free and won on showing how poor the government had constructed their own case without actually even putting on his own defense.

I remember the stuff about the Aryan Nations, whose property just happened to border Weaver's. But Weaver was an isolationist. He wasn't a so called racist or segregationist as the press tried to paint him, he just wanted to be left alone with his family and the feds wouldn't let him. Understand, I'm not in any way trying to put a nice face on this. I also find it interesting that everytime you see our government acting like nazi storm troops against John Q. Citizen, somewhere lurking around is a case for the BATFE. Then if they screw it up, the case goes to the FBI and gives them a shot ('scuse the wording) at screwing the pooch. Like with the Weaver arrest.

I know the whole entrapment story with the shortened shotguns. Randy should have gone directly to the US Attorney when the whole scheme was dumped on him. Or better yet, the PRESS. Also, even if you're given the wrong date to appear in court, it is still your responsibility to be proactive and find out where and when you're supposed to appear and then....GO! Randy was still stupid in this. But not as stupid as the idiot feds who tried to pull this one off in the first place. There was one of them who wasn't stupid, he's a murderer: LON HORIUCHI was the FBI sniper that popped the wife. I heard he was also at Waco, giving "advice" during the standoff.

222 posted on 05/29/2008 9:19:28 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Oh it get's much worse than that. With her dead body on the front porch and her infant trapped beneath her body the agents would call out to Randy still forted up in the cabin:

Let's not forget what went down in his original arrest in February of that year. The federal agents started the "takedown" by physically assaulting Mrs Weaver tackling her to the ground, which in Feb in Idaho would be covered in snow, so any rocks would be hidden. Now, Mrs Weaver was not the subject of an arrest warrant, so where do they get off with this?

This is violation of rights under color of law, and in my mind, is arguably the reason that she ended up dead. The only "excuse" ever given for this was that they believed Mrs Weaver was carrying a gun in her purse. Now unless one of those federal agents was named Clark Kent, the only way they could have known this was by checking local concealed carry records. So, she was assaulted by federal agents for simply *legally* exercising her Second Amendment rights. Think about it...

the infowarrior

226 posted on 05/29/2008 3:34:52 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: ExSoldier

Anyone know where he is today?


227 posted on 05/29/2008 4:02:02 PM PDT by rahbert
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