Posted on 05/22/2008 3:07:07 PM PDT by GourmetDan
WORKING-CLASS students have lower IQs than those from wealthier backgrounds and should not be expected to win places at top universities, an academic has claimed. Bruce Charlton, an evolutionary psychiatrist at Newcastle University, has written a paper asserting the reason why fewer students from poor families are admitted to Oxford or Cambridge is not because of social prejudice, but lack of ability.
He suggests that low numbers of working-class students at elite universities is the "natural outcome" of "substantial" IQ differences between classes.... His claims could trigger an outcry similar to that faced by the Nobel prize-winning geneticist James Watson, who was forced to apologise after claiming that African and Caribbean workers were "demonstrably less able" than white ones.
However, Dr Charlton argues it is precisely the fear of creating controversy that prevents other academics taking the same line.
He said: "That is why such obvious scientific truths have not so far been stated clearly, or have actually been denied.
"(This theory is] accepted among those who know and understand the research."
I showed you multiple times that Dr. Charlon believes this. Here it is again.
"He said: "That is why such obvious scientific truths have not so far been stated clearly, or have actually been denied."
According to Dr. Charlton, you are in the denier camp. If that infuriates you, take it up w/ him.
Sorry.
Rehash. This was presented last year.
It is obvious that Dr. C believes this, what is not so obvious is your contention that all “evolutionists” believe this.
How could Dr. C control for environmental factors when environmental differences (low class/ upper class) was the entire basis for the grouping in this study?
Yet another Brit blue blood who cannot STAND the fact that their greatest author (William Shakespeare) their greatest Scientist (Michael Faraday) and their greatest warrior (William the Marshal)were all commoners. He now seeks “Scientific” justification for his beliefs, but being a Psychologist, probably doesn't understand even the basics of conducting a Scientific study. Correlation is not causality. Biologically there is no such thing as a “Lower class”.
The end result of what he is saying is “Smart people make more money.” as well as “Educated people with access to wealth power and good schools raise children who end usually end up educated wealthy and powerful.”
Sorry.
That is precisely what liberals think, which is why they want to set up a system where they, as the intellectual superiors, will make all the decisions.
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I’ve met more than one child of the wealthy who wasn’t to bright but managed to do quite well for themselves and I worked for a guy that became a millionaire from pure hard work an innate ability to delegate and complete lack of ethics and morals
Well obviously you think so, but he made some statements about what evolutionists believe and either don't say or just deny. You're denying it, which is what he said evolutionists did.
Don't freak-out, dude.
Well, it seems to be pretty effective at maintaining liberal status and wealth.
I beg to differ, the working class, well, that eliminates Obama supporters because they don’t work, know crap when they see it. Thats why they hate McCain and Obama.
Have we done a time travel backwards? How ‘bout the working class quit working and dump it into the laps of the elites?
They may think they are smart, they are not smart enough to work hard. What they fear most is the working class rising up against them. That is why illegals, socialist healtcare and all the things liberal are what they are peddling. Global socialists know if they toss out a free crumb here and there, the chances are slimmer that people will rise up and kick their selfish behinds to the curb. They are on borrowed time. The thought about their fate makes me tingle with pleasure.
Are you a mind reader?
Young Ones? I know this pic from somewhere!
I’ve always been told that there is no difference if one is born smart and that the only difference is in the quality of education. Being smart and being educated are two totally different things and you can be very educated without being smart.
And if I remember a central tenet of the Bell Curve correctly, smart people by and large marry other smart people, so this divide in intellectual capability is only increasing over time.
I am afraid that Dr. Charlston would group me as “Upper Class” based upon my income and education and then say that “evolutionarily” I come from superior “Upper Class” genetics. I however was one of those born into poverty who ended up succeeding and thus moving out of the “working class” category. Neither do I consider myself an aberration from my very intelligent “working class” family.
How do these classist blue blood bigots explain that the greatest Scientist (Faraday), Writer (Shakespeare), and Warrior (William the Marshall); all came from “working class” people, while their Crown Prince is a big eared buffoon in love with a horse.
Yes, but it is hard to dispute that on average smart parents are more likely to have smart children outside of considering whatever sociocultural (’nurture’) advantages they may give their on average smarter-than-average kids.
Some of the smartest people I know are 70-80 years old and went no further in school than the eighth grade. Some of the dumbest I know have graduated from college. Common sense can take you a long way in life.
“Reeks of eugenics.”
Reeks of reality - I fixed your typo for you.
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