Posted on 03/07/2008 10:45:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
With Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's decision to stay in the Democratic race to the bitter end, she has signaled a delegate fight all the way to the party's convention in Denver this August.
Both candidates appear in something of a stalemate.
Political strategists have concluded that Clinton cannot overcome Sen. Barack Obama's pledged delegate lead by winning additional primaries.
And despite his lead in electoral and delegate wins, Obama cannot seal his nomination without the support of the party's superdelegates.
Clinton's decision, after winning in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island this week that she would not capitulate has opened up the first skirmishes in a looming Democratic civil war.
Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million. The war has no end in sight and is shaping up to be a take-no-prisoner's battle.
Consider:
Cash: Both sides are now swimming with the ammunition that politicians need to wage war. Obama announced this week that he raised a stunning $55 million in February. Clinton hasn't matched those numbers, but she is playing catch-up. Since Tuesday, she raked in a cool $3 million.
'Monster' Hillary: Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath."
Ken Starr: Clinton's campaign lashed out at Obama Thursday, accusing him of becoming another "Ken Starr" because he promised to be more criticial of his opponent. The Obama campaign has complained Clinton has dragged her feet in releasing her tax returns and her documents as first lady.
Florida and Michigan. Both the Obama and Clinton camps are deadlocked on the matter of the Florida and Michigan delegates. Party Chairman Howard Dean says he wants a new vote in those states but he won't use party money to pay for it. That benefits Obama, because Clinton would have likely won those states in a re-vote. If Dean and the Obama can keep the current slate of Florida and Michigan delegates off the convention floor, Clinton's position is further undermined.
Black Revolt: Influential African-Americans like Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder are warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled if it does not abide by the will of the pledged delegates in picking the nominee.
Meanwhile, the fraternal struggle among Democrats may be netting Republicans support.
Former Bush strategist Karl Rove notes Thursday in The Wall Street Journal "the interesting electoral phenomenon is the emergence of the 'McCainicrats' -- Democrats backing Mr. McCain."
Rove continued: "In three recent polls, (Fox, LA Times/Bloomberg and Gallup), almost twice as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans support Mr. Obama. Three times as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans back Mrs. Clinton."
Saw it on Drudge. Bottom right hand corner now. Dems putting funny spin on it.
Barring a major slip on the bannana peel by McCain...
This whole Democratic Primary is almost a no-win senario for Hillary & Obama and the Democratic Party.
Even IF they decide at the last moment to combine on a ticket....the VP group is going to grumble no matter what that person says. Obama should end up with the most delagates by Denver....even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania and claims “See, another BIG state!!” Obama should stil have the lead.
So you have two sides who belive in their hearts that their guy should be the winner. So who ever the loser is....that side will be pissed and no matter what words are issued after the decision to “Promote Harmony”......it’s not going to happen.
The GHOSTS of THE CHICAGO SEVEN are talking.....am I the only person seeing Chicago 1968 all over again?
Hey DNC, how is that Dean guy working out for you?
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Good post potlatch!
In both Blue States & Red States:
Hillar! loses Cubans, blacks, Black Muslims, New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Muslims, military & military families, flyover America
O’Bomb-NY loses Cubans, hispanics, Catholics, most democrat union members, Christians, Jews, Independents with brains, military & military families, flyover America
It’s a McGovern Festival!
[It’s a McGovern Festival!]
With all this going on and on, Rove was on O’Reilly saying McCain will just kinda fade away now for some time.
Um...do you have a source for that? About the RNC smashing the DNC in money raised? I find that hard to believe- this year, at least.
Memo Links First Lady To Handling Of Suicide Note WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Aug. 27) -- The same day Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the Democratic National Convention, newly released documents suggest she was behind the 30-hour delay in releasing late White House counsel Vincent Foster's suicide note to authorities. How the White House handled Foster's 1993 death, and the possibility that administration officials improperly removed documents from his office or impeded an official search of it, has been the subject of intense scrutiny by congressional Republicans and the media. The newly released memo, written by White House lawyer Miriam Nemetz, quotes then-White House chief of staff Mack McLarty as saying Mrs. Clinton "was very upset and believed the matter required further thought and the president should not yet be told" about Foster's note. According to the document, Mrs. Clinton "said they should have a coherent position and should have decided what to do before they told the president." That contradicts sworn testimony to the Senate Whitewater Committee from Clinton staffers that the first lady had no role whatsoever in the handling of Foster's note. An attorney for McLarty said today his client had only conferred with former White House counsel Bernard Nussbaum on the matter, and that at no time had he dealt with Mrs. Clinton. Nussbaum also promptly released a statement saying, "No one suggested to me that the first lady had any view with respect to how the Foster note should be handled. It was my decision to delay, for one day, producing the note, so that the president...could have an opportunity to view it first." Administration Whitewater counsel Mark Fabiani said in a statement the newly disclosed information was unreliable, since it "passed through five different people before it was ever taken down in a lawyer's notes." Republicans have been baffled over why the president wasn't told about Foster's note for 30 hours when the first lady knew about it immediately. |
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Rove is correct
CNN & MSNBC will only highlight O’Bomber & Hillar! attacks on McCain now
But mostly MSM “new info” attacks on McCain
But O’Bomber and Hillar! will shred each other and do what McCain will not do
Both O’Bomber & Hillar! would rather destroy the party than back off if they have not locked up the nomination
Funny how Howard Dean and the Klintoons and the DNC set up the idiotic primary dates and system that will destroy them all
You are always quite right on this stuff. Didn’t Hillary make a comment today about “sharing” the nomination? I know I heard something about that.
Also have read that the Dems themself will try to set up a new vote down in Florida! Wonder if that is allowed.
What happened?
I was Ten.
Perfect time for Gore to step in. But he will not...too scared of the questions of the scam of him and his glowarmers...per Rush.
Political strategists have concluded that Clinton cannot overcome Sen. Barack Obama's pledged delegate lead by winning additional primaries. And despite his lead in electoral and delegate wins, Obama cannot seal his nomination without the support of the party's superdelegates... Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million... Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath." ...The Obama campaign has complained Clinton has dragged her feet in releasing her tax returns and her documents as first lady... If [Howard] Dean and... Obama can keep the current slate of Florida and Michigan delegates off the convention floor, Clinton's position is further undermined. Black Revolt: Influential African-Americans like Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder are warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled if it does not abide by the will of the pledged delegates in picking the nominee... Former Bush strategist Karl Rove notes Thursday in The Wall Street Journal... "In three recent polls, (Fox, LA Times/Bloomberg and Gallup), almost twice as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans support Mr. Obama. Three times as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans back Mrs. Clinton."
What happened in 1968? Well, by the time of the convention . . .
1. LBJ had dropped out of the race after losing the New Hampshire primary.
2. George Wallace had bolted the party to run as an independent, taking Southern conservatives with him.
3. Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King had been assassinated
4. The convention passed over the liberals’ favorite, Eugene McCarthy, to nominate Vice-president Hubert Humphrey, who wanted to continue the war in Vietnam.
5. There was also a lot of rioting at the convention, if I remember correctly (I was 9 at the time, but I’m also a history major), to the point that the TV show “Laugh-In” joked, “Join the Army, see Chicago.” Mayor Daley didn’t help matters by saying, “The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder.” When it was over, and the voters found their choices to be Wallace, Humphrey and Richard Nixon, Nixon actually looked pretty good.
Larry Niven, the science fiction writer, said he learned two things as a result of the 1968 Democratic convention:
1. Never throw sh*t at an armed man.
2. Never stand next to someone throwing sh*t at an armed man.
Can somebody tell me why the conventions are so late this year, when most of the primaries/caucuses have been moved up to January and February? I thought the goal was to get the party nominated behind one candidate ASAP.
That worked quite well in 2004, didn’t it? John Kerry had the nomination in the bag by February, giving us five months to pick apart his record before the convention. Now I’m hearing that the Democratic convention is scheduled for the end of August, and the Republican one will be held in early September! While that means John McCain has nearly six months where he doesn’t have to do anything but raise funds, on the Democratic side, it seems somebody designed the schedule just to entertain non-Democrats.
I guess Euripides was right when he said, “Whom the gods destroy they first make mad.” That has certainly happened with the Dims in recent years.
That worked quite well in 2004, didn't it? John Kerry had the nomination in the bag by February, giving us five months to pick apart his record before the convention. Now I'm hearing that the Democratic convention is scheduled for the end of August, and the Republican one will be held in early September! While that means John McCain has nearly six months where he doesn’t have to do anything but raise funds, on the Democratic side, it seems somebody designed the schedule just to entertain non-Democrats.I think you've touched upon it -- there are two remaining Dhimmicrat candidates who continue to fight it out, but the attacks on McCain have been going on for a while (and I'm not even talking about FR ;'), including Gloria Steinem's the other day. IMHO, the campaign season needs to be later, shorter, and more sensible, and should end just before the conventions. Two states should have a primary or caucus scheduled for each week, on Tuesday, with the order determined the same way order was determined for the state quarters -- by the order of admission to the Union. The whole primary season would be wrapped up in 26 weeks, there would be no "super Tuesday" per se, and then people could complain that too much emphasis is placed on this or that other new feature. To rip off Will Rogers, it wouldn't stop the war, but it would be different.
[from the US mint's quarters schedule page]
Release Date State Statehood Date Mintage Numbers* 1999 4,430,940,000 January 04, 1999 Delaware December 07, 1787 774,824,000 March 08, 1999 Pennsylvania December 12, 1787 707,332,000 May 17, 1999 New Jersey December 18, 1787 662,228,000 July 19, 1999 Georgia January 02, 1788 939,932,000 October 12, 1999 Connecticut January 09, 1788 1,346,624,000 2000 6,470,932,000 January 03, 2000 Massachusetts February 06, 1788 1,163,784,000 March 13, 2000 Maryland April 28, 1788 1,234,732,000 May 22, 2000 South Carolina May 23, 1788 1,308,784,000 August 07, 2000 New Hampshire June 21, 1788 1,169,016,000 October 16, 2000 Virginia June 25, 1788 1,594,616,000 2001 4,806,984,000 January 02, 2001 New York July 26, 1788 1,275,040,000 March 12, 2001 North Carolina November 21, 1789 1,055,476,000 May 21, 2001 Rhode Island May 29, 1790 870,100,000 August 06, 2001 Vermont March 04, 1791 882,804,000 October 15, 2001 Kentucky June 01, 1792 723,564,000 2002 3,313,704,000 January 02, 2002 Tennessee June 01, 1796 648,068,000 March 11, 2002 Ohio March 01, 1803 632,032,000 May 20, 2002 Louisiana April 30, 1812 764,204,000 August 02, 2002 Indiana December 11, 1816 689,800,000 October 15, 2002 Mississippi December 10, 1817 579,600,000 2003 2,280,400,000 January 02, 2003 Illinois December 03, 1818 463,200,000 March 17, 2003 Alabama December 14, 1819 457,400,000 June 02, 2003 Maine March 15, 1820 448,800,000 August 04, 2003 Missouri August 10, 1821 453,200,000 October 20, 2003 Arkansas June 15, 1836 457,800,000 2004 2,401,600,000 January 26, 2004 Michigan January 26, 1837 459,600,000 March 29, 2004 Florida March 03, 1845 481,800,000 June 01, 2004 Texas December 29, 1845 541,800,000 August 30, 2004 Iowa December 28, 1846 465,200,000 October 25, 2004 Wisconsin May 29, 1848 453,200,000 2005 3,013,600,000 January 31, 2005 California September 09, 1850 520,400,000 April 04, 2005 Minnesota May 11, 1858 488,000,000 June 06, 2005 Oregon February 14, 1859 720,200,000 August 29, 2005 Kansas January 29, 1861 563,400,000 October 14, 2005 West Virginia June 20, 1863 721,600,000 2006 2,925,400,000 January 31, 2006 Nevada October 31, 1864 589,800,000 April 03, 2006 Nebraska March 01, 1867 591,000,000 June 14, 2006 Colorado August 01, 1876 569,000,000 August 28, 2006 North Dakota November 02, 1889 664,800,000 November 06, 2006 South Dakota November 02, 1889 510,800,000 2007 2,712,440,000 January 29, 2007 Montana November 08, 1889 513,240,000 April 02, 2007 Washington November 11, 1889 545,200,000 August 03, 2007 Idaho July 03, 1890 581,400,000 September 03, 2007 Wyoming July 10, 1890 564,400,000 November 05, 2007 Utah January 04, 1896 508,200,000 2008 January 28, 2008 Oklahoma November 16, 1907 TBA Current Quarter April 07, 2008 New Mexico January 06, 1912 TBA Arizona February 14, 1912 Alaska January 03, 1959 Hawaii August 21, 1959
Delaware Pennsylvania New Jersey Georgia "super" Connecticut Massachusetts Maryland South Carolina New Hampshire Virginia New York North Carolina (good reason make it groups of five) Rhode Island Vermont Kentucky Tennessee Ohio Louisiana Indiana Mississippi Illinois Alabama Maine Missouri Arkansas Michigan Florida Texas "super" Iowa Wisconsin California Minnesota "liberal super" Oregon Kansas West Virginia Nevada Nebraska Colorado North Dakota South Dakota Montana Washington Idaho Wyoming Utah Oklahoma New Mexico Arizona Alaska Hawaii
Delaware Pennsylvania New Jersey Georgia Connecticut Massachusetts Maryland South Carolina New Hampshire Virginia New York North Carolina Rhode Island Vermont Kentucky Tennessee Ohio Louisiana Indiana Mississippi Illinois Alabama Maine Missouri Arkansas Michigan Florida Texas Iowa Wisconsin "super" California Minnesota Oregon Kansas West Virginia Nevada Nebraska Colorado North Dakota South Dakota Montana Washington Idaho Wyoming Utah Oklahoma New Mexico Arizona Alaska Hawaii
(groups of three would split up Texas and Florida)
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