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Obama, Hillary in Civil War
NewsMax ^ | March 6, 2008 | Newsmax Analysis

Posted on 03/07/2008 10:45:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's decision to stay in the Democratic race to the bitter end, she has signaled a delegate fight all the way to the party's convention in Denver this August.

Both candidates appear in something of a stalemate.

Political strategists have concluded that Clinton cannot overcome Sen. Barack Obama's pledged delegate lead by winning additional primaries.

And despite his lead in electoral and delegate wins, Obama cannot seal his nomination without the support of the party's superdelegates.

Clinton's decision, after winning in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island this week that she would not capitulate has opened up the first skirmishes in a looming Democratic civil war.

Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million. The war has no end in sight and is shaping up to be a take-no-prisoner's battle.

Consider:

Cash: Both sides are now swimming with the ammunition that politicians need to wage war. Obama announced this week that he raised a stunning $55 million in February. Clinton hasn't matched those numbers, but she is playing catch-up. Since Tuesday, she raked in a cool $3 million.

'Monster' Hillary: Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath."

Ken Starr: Clinton's campaign lashed out at Obama Thursday, accusing him of becoming another "Ken Starr" because he promised to be more criticial of his opponent. The Obama campaign has complained Clinton has dragged her feet in releasing her tax returns and her documents as first lady.

Florida and Michigan. Both the Obama and Clinton camps are deadlocked on the matter of the Florida and Michigan delegates. Party Chairman Howard Dean says he wants a new vote in those states but he won't use party money to pay for it. That benefits Obama, because Clinton would have likely won those states in a re-vote. If Dean and the Obama can keep the current slate of Florida and Michigan delegates off the convention floor, Clinton's position is further undermined.

Black Revolt: Influential African-Americans like Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder are warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled if it does not abide by the will of the pledged delegates in picking the nominee.

Meanwhile, the fraternal struggle among Democrats may be netting Republicans support.

Former Bush strategist Karl Rove notes Thursday in The Wall Street Journal "the interesting electoral phenomenon is the emergence of the 'McCainicrats' -- Democrats backing Mr. McCain."

Rove continued: "In three recent polls, (Fox, LA Times/Bloomberg and Gallup), almost twice as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans support Mr. Obama. Three times as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans back Mrs. Clinton."


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To: WOSG

Saw it on Drudge. Bottom right hand corner now. Dems putting funny spin on it.


61 posted on 03/07/2008 3:34:33 PM PST by MattinNJ ("Conservatives" will stay home in November and hand the socialists the election. Unbelievable.)
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To: MattinNJ

Barring a major slip on the bannana peel by McCain...

This whole Democratic Primary is almost a no-win senario for Hillary & Obama and the Democratic Party.

Even IF they decide at the last moment to combine on a ticket....the VP group is going to grumble no matter what that person says. Obama should end up with the most delagates by Denver....even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania and claims “See, another BIG state!!” Obama should stil have the lead.

So you have two sides who belive in their hearts that their guy should be the winner. So who ever the loser is....that side will be pissed and no matter what words are issued after the decision to “Promote Harmony”......it’s not going to happen.

The GHOSTS of THE CHICAGO SEVEN are talking.....am I the only person seeing Chicago 1968 all over again?


62 posted on 03/07/2008 6:38:39 PM PST by TheShaz (Shhhh! We don't want Dean run off yet!!!)
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To: devolve; 2ndDivisionVet; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP

63 posted on 03/07/2008 6:41:56 PM PST by potlatch
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To: eXe

Hey DNC, how is that Dean guy working out for you?


64 posted on 03/07/2008 6:45:31 PM PST by csmusaret (John McCain is a self rightous little prick.)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP

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Good post potlatch!

In both Blue States & Red States:

Hillar! loses Cubans, blacks, Black Muslims, New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Muslims, military & military families, flyover America

O’Bomb-NY loses Cubans, hispanics, Catholics, most democrat union members, Christians, Jews, Independents with brains, military & military families, flyover America

It’s a McGovern Festival!


65 posted on 03/07/2008 7:16:45 PM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That`s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve

[It’s a McGovern Festival!]

With all this going on and on, Rove was on O’Reilly saying McCain will just kinda fade away now for some time.


66 posted on 03/07/2008 7:20:43 PM PST by potlatch
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To: MattinNJ

Um...do you have a source for that? About the RNC smashing the DNC in money raised? I find that hard to believe- this year, at least.


67 posted on 03/07/2008 7:29:52 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Rush has unsealed the mummy's tomb-he has unleashed the undead."-Hugh Hewitt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Memo Links First Lady To Handling Of Suicide Note

Hillary Rodham Clinton

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Aug. 27) -- The same day Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the Democratic National Convention, newly released documents suggest she was behind the 30-hour delay in releasing late White House counsel Vincent Foster's suicide note to authorities.

How the White House handled Foster's 1993 death, and the possibility that administration officials improperly removed documents from his office or impeded an official search of it, has been the subject of intense scrutiny by congressional Republicans and the media.

The newly released memo, written by White House lawyer Miriam Nemetz, quotes then-White House chief of staff Mack McLarty as saying Mrs. Clinton "was very upset and believed the matter required further thought and the president should not yet be told" about Foster's note.

According to the document, Mrs. Clinton "said they should have a coherent position and should have decided what to do before they told the president."

That contradicts sworn testimony to the Senate Whitewater Committee from Clinton staffers that the first lady had no role whatsoever in the handling of Foster's note.

An attorney for McLarty said today his client had only conferred with former White House counsel Bernard Nussbaum on the matter, and that at no time had he dealt with Mrs. Clinton.

Nussbaum also promptly released a statement saying, "No one suggested to me that the first lady had any view with respect to how the Foster note should be handled. It was my decision to delay, for one day, producing the note, so that the president...could have an opportunity to view it first."

Administration Whitewater counsel Mark Fabiani said in a statement the newly disclosed information was unreliable, since it "passed through five different people before it was ever taken down in a lawyer's notes."

Republicans have been baffled over why the president wasn't told about Foster's note for 30 hours when the first lady knew about it immediately.


68 posted on 03/07/2008 7:38:18 PM PST by XR7
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To: potlatch

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Rove is correct

CNN & MSNBC will only highlight O’Bomber & Hillar! attacks on McCain now

But mostly MSM “new info” attacks on McCain

But O’Bomber and Hillar! will shred each other and do what McCain will not do

Both O’Bomber & Hillar! would rather destroy the party than back off if they have not locked up the nomination

Funny how Howard Dean and the Klintoons and the DNC set up the idiotic primary dates and system that will destroy them all


69 posted on 03/07/2008 7:49:12 PM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That`s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve

You are always quite right on this stuff. Didn’t Hillary make a comment today about “sharing” the nomination? I know I heard something about that.

Also have read that the Dems themself will try to set up a new vote down in Florida! Wonder if that is allowed.


70 posted on 03/07/2008 7:58:19 PM PST by potlatch
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To: Aquinasfan
the Dems are going to have a repeat of the ‘68 convention.

What happened?

I was Ten.

71 posted on 03/07/2008 8:15:38 PM PST by bobbyd (Flyer, I love and miss you...Lords best my FRiend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perfect time for Gore to step in. But he will not...too scared of the questions of the scam of him and his glowarmers...per Rush.


72 posted on 03/07/2008 9:39:04 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Political strategists have concluded that Clinton cannot overcome Sen. Barack Obama's pledged delegate lead by winning additional primaries. And despite his lead in electoral and delegate wins, Obama cannot seal his nomination without the support of the party's superdelegates... Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million... Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath." ...The Obama campaign has complained Clinton has dragged her feet in releasing her tax returns and her documents as first lady... If [Howard] Dean and... Obama can keep the current slate of Florida and Michigan delegates off the convention floor, Clinton's position is further undermined. Black Revolt: Influential African-Americans like Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder are warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled if it does not abide by the will of the pledged delegates in picking the nominee... Former Bush strategist Karl Rove notes Thursday in The Wall Street Journal... "In three recent polls, (Fox, LA Times/Bloomberg and Gallup), almost twice as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans support Mr. Obama. Three times as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans back Mrs. Clinton."

73 posted on 03/08/2008 12:09:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: bobbyd

What happened in 1968? Well, by the time of the convention . . .

1. LBJ had dropped out of the race after losing the New Hampshire primary.
2. George Wallace had bolted the party to run as an independent, taking Southern conservatives with him.
3. Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King had been assassinated
4. The convention passed over the liberals’ favorite, Eugene McCarthy, to nominate Vice-president Hubert Humphrey, who wanted to continue the war in Vietnam.
5. There was also a lot of rioting at the convention, if I remember correctly (I was 9 at the time, but I’m also a history major), to the point that the TV show “Laugh-In” joked, “Join the Army, see Chicago.” Mayor Daley didn’t help matters by saying, “The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder.” When it was over, and the voters found their choices to be Wallace, Humphrey and Richard Nixon, Nixon actually looked pretty good.

Larry Niven, the science fiction writer, said he learned two things as a result of the 1968 Democratic convention:

1. Never throw sh*t at an armed man.
2. Never stand next to someone throwing sh*t at an armed man.


74 posted on 03/08/2008 5:53:22 AM PST by Berosus (Support our troops, bring them home -- from the Balkans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv

Can somebody tell me why the conventions are so late this year, when most of the primaries/caucuses have been moved up to January and February? I thought the goal was to get the party nominated behind one candidate ASAP.

That worked quite well in 2004, didn’t it? John Kerry had the nomination in the bag by February, giving us five months to pick apart his record before the convention. Now I’m hearing that the Democratic convention is scheduled for the end of August, and the Republican one will be held in early September! While that means John McCain has nearly six months where he doesn’t have to do anything but raise funds, on the Democratic side, it seems somebody designed the schedule just to entertain non-Democrats.

I guess Euripides was right when he said, “Whom the gods destroy they first make mad.” That has certainly happened with the Dims in recent years.


75 posted on 03/08/2008 6:04:00 AM PST by Berosus (Support our troops, bring them home -- from the Balkans.)
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To: Berosus
That worked quite well in 2004, didn't it? John Kerry had the nomination in the bag by February, giving us five months to pick apart his record before the convention. Now I'm hearing that the Democratic convention is scheduled for the end of August, and the Republican one will be held in early September! While that means John McCain has nearly six months where he doesn’t have to do anything but raise funds, on the Democratic side, it seems somebody designed the schedule just to entertain non-Democrats.
I think you've touched upon it -- there are two remaining Dhimmicrat candidates who continue to fight it out, but the attacks on McCain have been going on for a while (and I'm not even talking about FR ;'), including Gloria Steinem's the other day. IMHO, the campaign season needs to be later, shorter, and more sensible, and should end just before the conventions. Two states should have a primary or caucus scheduled for each week, on Tuesday, with the order determined the same way order was determined for the state quarters -- by the order of admission to the Union. The whole primary season would be wrapped up in 26 weeks, there would be no "super Tuesday" per se, and then people could complain that too much emphasis is placed on this or that other new feature. To rip off Will Rogers, it wouldn't stop the war, but it would be different.
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July 19, 1999  Georgia January 02, 1788 939,932,000   
October 12, 1999  Connecticut January 09, 1788 1,346,624,000   
 
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August 06, 2001  Vermont March 04, 1791 882,804,000   
October 15, 2001  Kentucky June 01, 1792 723,564,000   
 
2002 3,313,704,000  
January 02, 2002  Tennessee June 01, 1796 648,068,000   
March 11, 2002  Ohio March 01, 1803 632,032,000   
May 20, 2002  Louisiana April 30, 1812 764,204,000   
August 02, 2002  Indiana December 11, 1816 689,800,000   
October 15, 2002  Mississippi December 10, 1817 579,600,000   
 
2003 2,280,400,000  
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March 17, 2003  Alabama December 14, 1819 457,400,000   
June 02, 2003  Maine March 15, 1820 448,800,000   
August 04, 2003  Missouri August 10, 1821 453,200,000   
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October 25, 2004  Wisconsin May 29, 1848 453,200,000   
 
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2008    
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  Arizona February 14, 1912    
  Alaska January 03, 1959    
  Hawaii August 21, 1959    
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76 posted on 03/08/2008 9:49:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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Of course, lumping them in groups of five (like the quarters) might be even better, but here's the groups of two:
Delaware Pennsylvania
New Jersey Georgia "super"
Connecticut Massachusetts
Maryland South Carolina
New Hampshire Virginia
New York North Carolina (good reason make it groups of five)
Rhode Island Vermont
Kentucky Tennessee
Ohio Louisiana
Indiana Mississippi
Illinois Alabama
Maine Missouri
Arkansas Michigan
Florida Texas "super"
Iowa Wisconsin
California Minnesota "liberal super"
Oregon Kansas
West Virginia Nevada
Nebraska Colorado
North Dakota South Dakota
Montana Washington
Idaho Wyoming
Utah Oklahoma
New Mexico Arizona
Alaska Hawaii

77 posted on 03/08/2008 10:00:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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Five:
Delaware Pennsylvania New Jersey Georgia Connecticut
Massachusetts Maryland South Carolina New Hampshire Virginia
New York North Carolina Rhode Island Vermont Kentucky
Tennessee Ohio Louisiana Indiana Mississippi
Illinois Alabama Maine Missouri Arkansas
Michigan Florida Texas Iowa Wisconsin "super"
California Minnesota Oregon Kansas West Virginia
Nevada Nebraska Colorado North Dakota South Dakota
Montana Washington Idaho Wyoming Utah
Oklahoma New Mexico Arizona Alaska Hawaii

78 posted on 03/08/2008 10:06:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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(groups of three would split up Texas and Florida)


79 posted on 03/08/2008 10:07:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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