Posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:38 PM PST by Kay Ludlow
NYT: MCCAIN'S BIRTHPLACE IN CANAL ZONE RAISES ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONS...
Me, too, but it’s not. Unfortunately he’s an American.
It is Australian law then. It is not U.S. law.
McCain is dual.
By Panamanian law, Panama considers him a Panamanian and there is no office he can go to renounce his Panamanian citizenship.
George Soros is running around with about 5 passports. One of those passports is U.S.
I think it is a little bit more complicated than that. I dont think you can interpret "natural born" in any way other than "native born" without running into complications. Like the US, many countries accept any one born in their country (irrespective of the citizenship of their parents) as a Citizen of their country. It is only at the time of majority (18) that you choose which country is your homeland.
From wikipedia:
One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore "naturalized."[5] Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."[6]
Everytime I think the NYT's has gone as low as it can go, it goes lower.
Honolulu. 1961.
See #484.
The wikipedia snippet you posted tells half (the wrong half) of the story. Persons born to US citizens anywhere are natural-born citizens (USC 1401). Also “State Dept policy” is is not law.
Whether you are born in this country, or territories or whatever is irrelevant unless your parents are not citizens. In McCain’s case the only relevant law is USC1401 which says children of US citizens are natural-born regardless of where they are born.
The old Canal Zone was bought and paid for. No 99 year lease.
By Muslim Law B. Hussein Obama who’s father was a Muslim is a Muslim but yet he can deny it and it is not newsworthy ... The Prophet Muhammed said “Baddala deenahu, faqtuluhu” — if anyone changes his religion, kill him (cf. Bukhari vol. 9, bk. 84, no. 57).
yet are they mentioning about their love obama and how he has kenyan citizenship
are they mentioning about how obama goes to a racist so called church and admires a racist preacher
are they mentioning about how obama won’t salute the flag of this country
are they mentioning about obama’s wifes anti white racist wrting and anti american statement
are they mentioning about how he obama won’t wear an american pin on himself
are they mentioning about why obama won’t say he disagrees with farrakam’s racist anti white statement, obama will only disagree wit him on the anti jewish statements but not on the anti white statements
are they mentioning how obama won’t commit himself to hard questions
the list of news is endless yet the NY times feels that MCain again is news
Nah like the liberals say their is no bias in the media
ARF AND ARF AGAIN
so am I and so are my kids
we are English and now American
a proud American I might add who came here legally
I’m English and became American last year
my kids have now both dual citizenship
to England and America
So? Obama has dual US-Kenyan citizenship. WHEN WILL OBAMA RENOUNCE ALLEGIANCE TO A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT?
That's not saying much.
I went to army Jungle Warfare School there in 1986 and even then the "Canal Zone" was largely defunct. But the bases handed over to the Panamanians looked like New Orleans after Katrina they'd been looted and stripped of everything including sewage pipes in the walls of buildings. Even the railroad we built to run alongside the canal was given to them and in just a matter of months the officials in charge had allowed it to decay to the point that the US Military declared it unsafe to ride and banned all Americans from boarding the durn thing. Even the Lock System itself, an engineering marvel of the world began to go bad with no maintenance or care. This is what happens when the FIRST WORLD treats the THIRD WORLD as an equal. I know that is so un-PC and more than a little arrogant but that's life.
However, neither of those laws overrides the Constitution.
It specifically says, “natural born,” which has only meant to date that the person must have been born natively, within the borders of the United States.
This is where it gets interesting. Anyone born in another country can be a US citizen if they go through the process. But those people cannot be president.
Her parents thought her US citizenship was automatic—it wasn’t, and she wasn’t a US citizen until she was in her 20’s after undoing the mess her parents had gotten her into.
I would guess she wasn’t “natural born”.
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