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Democrats Say They Won’t Back Down on War
NY Times ^ | November 19, 2007 | DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Posted on 11/18/2007 9:59:19 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Nov. 18 — Democrats in Congress failed once again Friday to shift President Bush’s war strategy in Iraq, but insisted that they would not let up. Their explanation for their latest foiled effort seemed to boil down to a simple question: “What else are we supposed to do?”

Frustrated by the lack of political progress in Iraq, under pressure by antiwar groups and mindful of polls showing that most Americans want the war to end, the Democrats last week put forward a $50 billion war spending bill with strings attached knowing it would fail.

Like so many of the war-related measures that Democrats have proposed this year, the spending bill sought to set a timeline for redeploying American troops, and to narrow the mission to focus on counterterrorism and on the training of Iraq’s security forces.

And, like so many of the war-related measures that Democrats proposed this year, it was approved in the House only to wither and die in the Senate, where on Friday it fell 7 votes short of the 60 needed to prevent a Republican filibuster — with 45 senators voting to block the measure.

All signs indicate that Democrats will continue proposing such measures as long as Mr. Bush remains in office and troops remain in Iraq. “We are going to keep plugging away,” said Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Democratic lawmakers and strategists on Capitol Hill said their hope was that even if Republican support for Mr. Bush’s strategy held firm, voters would reward Democrats for their efforts at the polls next November, and that there was no risk to failing again and again.

Some, including Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the Democratic conference chairman, argue that Congressional Democrats are the only ones putting real pressure on...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; cutandrun; democratparty; democrats; iraq; neocoms; pelosi; reid; wot
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To: neverdem
At last! A fight they won't run away from!

-Joan

21 posted on 11/19/2007 5:34:00 AM PST by JoanVarga ("Por que no te callas?")
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To: ModelBreaker
I am afraid that you are being overly idealistic. We are talking about treason here, not some group letting their alligator mouth write a check their hummingbird asshole can't cash.

I am afraid that the RAT Party and their leftwing enablers have resigned their citizenship.

22 posted on 11/19/2007 6:16:03 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: neverdem

“What else are we supposed to do?”

How bout getting behind the troops and supporting your country for a change.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 6:30:26 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: neverdem

Well if moveon.org is funding demoflops, they have to dance to moveon.org’s tune. It’s get out of iraq no matter what. soros is a smart egomaniac who wants to rule. We cannot allow that because he doesn’t even know what he wants, cannot explain it...but he can make money, so he can pull strings and it is the democrat’s strings that he is pulling.


24 posted on 11/19/2007 6:31:23 AM PST by tillacum
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To: neverdem

“Democrats in Congress failed once again Friday to shift President Bush’s war strategy in Iraq, but insisted that they would not let up. Their explanation for their latest foiled effort seemed to boil down to a simple question: “What else are we supposed to do?””

You’re supposed to stuff a sock in it and let our troops fight the bloody war.

“Frustrated by the lack of political progress in Iraq, under pressure by antiwar groups and mindful of polls showing that most Americans want the war to end, the Democrats last week put forward a $50 billion war spending bill with strings attached knowing it would fail.”

Maybe if they pulled their heads out of their @$$, they might see this progress they keep demanding. And Americans wants the war to end in victory, you RATs.


25 posted on 11/19/2007 6:32:33 AM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: neverdem

‘Democrats in Congress failed once again Friday to shift President Bush’s war strategy in Iraq, but insisted that they would not let up. Their explanation for their latest foiled effort seemed to boil down to a simple question: “What else are we supposed to do?” ‘

How about considering letting us win?

Just a thought.....


26 posted on 11/19/2007 6:34:14 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: neverdem

Al Qaeda and Muslim Terrorists would be infamous footnotes in history if Democrats and liberals would fight terrorism as hard as they fight President Bush.


27 posted on 11/19/2007 6:36:26 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

No one can say that better, “...getting behind the troops and supporting your country for a change.” Good for you! I second your statement.


28 posted on 11/19/2007 6:39:18 AM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum

Thank you


29 posted on 11/19/2007 6:40:10 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Badeye

There were those like Jane Fonda who opposed the US side in the Vietnam War because they wanted the North Vietnamese Communists to win. She was at that time an avowed naked Communist (now she is more closeted).

It isn’t a peace movement or an anti-war movement at all. They want our side to lose.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 7:02:48 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Uh, the war is over, democrat vermin.

I agree. To me, war is a continual fighting, day in and day out. This is no longer a "war", but rather trying to set up a country, government and society, while a few thugs continue to try to stop it. But, we are not sending divisions, battalions,etc. into daily combat with opposing forces, fighting for every foot and inch. We have done that and accomplished that. We are fighting mostly now, like our own police does everyday in our own streets. I bet there is more going on in our various streets, shootings, murders, robberies, rapes, etc. on a daily basis than is happening in Iraq on a daily basis. Our troops WON the war. Now they have to establish the peace, which if graded against our own society, they are winning and we are losing at home. The Dims seek to make this look like Vietnam and it is not. We were fighting in Nam every day. Somewhere there was contact with enemy forces almost every day. Not in Iraq. You don't see footage of combat every day in Iraq like you did every day from Vietnam. It is not the same. We are winning in Iraq. The Dimocrats seek to make it different. People here are not against the war, they think the war is over and we are simply occupying Iraq like we did in Germany and Korea. I have not heard ONE, NOT ONE stinking person make a negative comment about THE WAR or Iraq, around here in 10 months or more. Everyone is going on with their daily lives. They are not thinking about THE WAR as the dims want you to think that everyone is ringing their hands over it every minute. Only Dims are. They are terrified that the word is getting out, THAT ARE TROOPS ARE WINNING AND HAVE ALREADY WON THE MAJOR WAR IN IRAQ!!! ALL SOCIALIST DIMOCRATS CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!

31 posted on 11/19/2007 7:10:00 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The Marxist's Dimocrat Party led us to defeat in Vietnam and want to repeat it in Iraq.)
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To: weegee

‘It isn’t a peace movement or an anti-war movement at all. They want our side to lose.’

Yes, they do. Its been the ‘normal’ stance of the Democratic Party since 1860.


32 posted on 11/19/2007 7:25:56 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: neverdem

Since the Iraqi Congress has accomplished more than Do Nothing Nancy’s, should we pull our Troops out of DC??

Pray for W and Our Amazing Troops


33 posted on 11/19/2007 7:29:46 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: neverdem
Democrats: "Frustrated by the lack of political progress in Iraq,..."

LOL!!!! The do-nothing-Congress frustrated by a lack of political progress in Iraq!!! LOL!!! Tickle me funny!

34 posted on 11/19/2007 7:32:38 AM PST by avacado
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To: neverdem
Democrats Say They Won’t Back Down on War Surrender

There, fixed it.

35 posted on 11/19/2007 7:41:30 AM PST by frankenMonkey (101st Army Dad)
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To: RetiredArmy

Your well reasoned analysis is 100% accurate.

The war is over.

The democrats lost.

It is a police action now, but not all that different from gang infested democrat party ruled hellholes such as Detroit or East Los Angeles.


36 posted on 11/19/2007 7:58:09 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (“If a tax cut increases government revenues, you haven’t cut taxes enough.” –Milton Friedman)
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To: FormerACLUmember
I agree it looks very favorable at the moment. However, do not underestimate the political savviness of AQ. Just like they ramped up their activities to try to influence the elections last year, we should anticipate they will attempt to do the same next year. The people of Iraq will remain vulnerable. Placing IEDs in crowded areas and along busy roads will still be easy. Killing innocent people is a long term losing strategy in Iraq but a winner if they can stampede the American people into voting for those who promise to "end the violence". With the aid of Al Queda the Democrats may yet be able to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
37 posted on 11/19/2007 8:10:14 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: FormerACLUmember

Being invested in defeat, these socialist pacifists are downright evil. They do not and never have recognized true evil from the Communists to the jihadists today. They would , in winning in ‘08, will ruin the USA. Period. There will be a huge downturn in morality, culture , our heritage and liberties if these Leftists win.


38 posted on 11/19/2007 10:50:28 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: neverdem
Frustrated by the lack of political progress in Iraq,

Fixed it.

39 posted on 11/19/2007 12:20:09 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Redleg Duke
I am afraid that you are being overly idealistic. We are talking about treason here, not some group letting their alligator mouth write a check their hummingbird asshole can't cash.

You could be right. But it's treason for craven political purposes. The dems think they score more with a defeat than with a win. I'm suggesting that America would be better off if we changed the calculus for at least a portion of the dem leadership by letting them pretend they had something to do with our success in Iraq and NOT calling them on it.

They are perfectly capable of shifting like this. When they thought they won by supporting the Iraq war, they voted to authorize it. Then they switched as the political calculus changed as the war dragged on. We need to change the political calculus in their greedy little minds.

40 posted on 11/19/2007 1:07:01 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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