[goldstategop]

Jews' opposition to guns is irrational. I can't think of a singular group of people who ought to spend more time on the gun range - practicing. "Lock and load" could save Jewish lives. When you think of defenseless Jews slaughtered for centuries without provocation, a gun is the most effective answer there is to persecution and senselss death. Israelis appreciate the importance of being armed. It would behoove their American cousins to adopt the same outlook - it would immeasurably enhance Jewish survival.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Northern Alliance]

I never saw any stats/polls on Jews and firearms. I’m not so sure we are in fact anti-gun so much as the majority of Jews being liberals simply buy the whole liberal package.

I know in my case when my dad, after much pleading, bought me a .22 when I was in my mid-teens, which was a long time ago, none of the extended family seemed to think much about it other than it was unusual.

[wastoute]

It is liberal derangement syndrome. They FEEL, they do’t think. It is the same with taxes. They want to raise them. They say it is to pay the bills but they know it will reduce revenues.

[familyop]

Yeah, Burt—the ones you knew in Hollywood! I know Rabbis who can drive nails with firearms, but they’re not from the left coast.

[familyop]

Burt, if you ever see this, start using quantifiers, you brute! ...many, some, most,...not all.

[Pontiac]

Jews tend to think if terrible things happened to their ancestors in 15th century Spain and 19th century Russia and 20th century Nazi Germany, it can and will happen here.

Funny thing about all of these examples of Jews being killed with firearms, every one of them the majority of the killing was done by the governments not the common people.

[Jaxter]

These guys certainly don't fall into the anti-gun Jew category.

[tcostell]

[bad company]

http://www.jpfo.org/

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION
OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

[Hardastarboard]

I, for one, have never heard a compelling argument why a person who takes one or more lives in cold blood should be spared the ultimate punishment.

I can answer that one. There is nothing wrong with the death penalty for people who have been justly convicted. The issue is that many people have been unjustly convicted and sentenced to die BECAUSE OF PROSECUTORS' POLITICAL AMBITIONS, AND GUILT OR INNOCENCE BE DAMNED (yes, I'm shouting - this one ought to infuriate all of us).

In the abstract, the death penalty is a good idea, just like helping the poor is a good idea. It's that, just like helping the poor, it's become a government program gone wrong. Time to terminate it, or provide for a better review system so that us peasants don't get ground under the heel of an ambitious prosecutor.

[Dixie Yooper]

When I lived in Northern Virgina, my Jewish neighbor was and still is the most well armed individual I have ever met. Once when I attended his Labor Day party, he invited me and another neighbor to check out his arsenal. Half of his basement was dedicated to firearms and ammo. He has three rifle size gun safes and another safe that was just as large for his handguns. After opening one of the safes, he pulled out an assault rifle with scope and handed it to me. It was an M-14, the first and only one I have ever held in my hands. Time stood still for a moment as I held it standing there listening to him talk as he pulled two more AR-15’s, and many more rifles and shot guns. He is a very active member of the Issac Walton Conservation League, and an Army veteran of the early 60’s. An exact opposite of what this article portrays Jewish people of being.

[Beckwith]

... if liberals had their way and the Second Amendment was repealed, the only people in America with guns would be cops, criminals and the military. Interestingly, of those particular groups, criminals are the ones liberals hate the least.

What a truly great observation.

[rellimpank]

-bflr-

[Thunder90]

I know many US Jews who hate Israel as well. It is strange. When I ask, they say that Israel was illegaly created and that Palestine should be “Freed”

[ExSoldier]

Israelis appreciate the importance of being armed. It would behoove their American cousins to adopt the same outlook - it would immeasurably enhance Jewish survival.

That's the key. You've got to distinguish American Jews from the Israeli people. American Jews are complacent in the civility of our society thinking that somehow we're immune to a HOLOCAUST on our shores. They forget the lessons of history. I was once banned from a seminar given for social studies educators here in Miami Dade County on the Holocaust for over ten years. The guest speaker was an Israeli survivor of the Holocaust and came to tell his story. I sat front and center and come the time for questions my hand was first up. I asked the following:

Q: #1 Why didn't you resist? Why not take up arms?
A: The nazis passed GUN CONTROL LAWS years before they put the first one on a train to the death camps!

Q: #2 Have you been to Israel?
A: It is my home.

Q: #3 What is the incidence of personal firearms ownership among Israeli citizens?
A: (SLAMS fist upon podium for emphasis and shouts the following) Everyone is ARMED. NEVER AGAIN!!!!

Whereupon I spun to face the crowd and said the following: Do you see? Do you understand the nexus of gun ownership to individual freedom? If you do not now return to your classrooms and make this clear you not only condone the first holocaust...you INVITE the second! Not one of that overwhelmingly Jewish and liberal population would meet my eyes.

During the subsequent coffe and brunch the survivor just wanted to chat with me about guns. Everytime somebody else approached, he would snarl at them until they fled. He asked for my personal information (I had no idea why at the time) and he remarked that he knew I was probably going to be in big trouble because of the questions. I just grinned and told him I was an Infantry Captain in the reserves and my day just wasn't complete without a good A$$ chompin'!

Sure enough, my principal was waiting and he chomped on me for a good two hours. I was told of the ban on my participation.

TEN YEARS LATER I was specifically and by name requested to once again attend. What happened? The Israeli government was now in charge of the seminar and they wanted me to contribute to the forum discussions. That old survivor had gone back and reported that the teachers were a bunch of gun haters except for ONE....and they remembered. If I was still working as a teacher they wanted me to come. Wow. I went and had a blast.

[George W. Bush]

Lefty Jews are our greatest enemies politically. Conservative Jews are among our greatest friends. I find the current NRA president to be a truly fascinating and apt choice.

Hard for us goyim to keep them all sorted out. One of the reasons I harbor suspicions of the political reliability of neo-cons is due to their complete lack of interest in the Second. That is why I will never favor any neo-con influencing policy. Not even Krauthammer.

If they don't understand the need for armed self-defense, they are inevitably enemies of Israel or at least willing to compromise Israel's security needs. And so we see, predictably, that the anti-gun Left is also the anti-semitic/anti-Israel Left.

If they don't understand and articulate the need for the Second, they can never be anything more than just more victims waiting for their next Hitler. Jewish history since the Maccabean era makes the pattern abundantly clear. If they are waiting for a government to protect them and do nothing for their own defense, they will inevitably vote socialists, for a government that will deprive us all of our rights in order that the government will be empowered to protect them (which it can never do).

Jews as a group need to understand it's better to emerge from your ivory tower and risk getting a little gun oil on your hands instead of just waiting to celebrate the opening of yet another Holocaust museum after the next massacre of Jews.

[Cacique]

ping

[cedainty]

I think a rabbi would say life is valuable and anyting that could potentially eliminate a life is not good.

That being said, MY life is important too. That’s why my Jewish female self is proud to say I own and can use several guns.

Evil is insidious. It sneaks up on us and suddenly shows istelf when we feel the most secure. The operative word there is “feel”.

[Cinnamon Girl]

You’re hanging out with the wrong crowd, Burt. Most of the folks I know either have a gun or are talking about getting one. But that is yet another difference between secular and observant Jews.

[archy]

Even though America is the most tolerant nation on earth, Jews tend to think if terrible things happened to their ancestors in 15th century Spain and 19th century Russia and 20th century Nazi Germany, it can and will happen here. It’s a form of paranoia. But it’s a very strange form. For as we all know, this is a nation of 300 million. So, wouldn’t you think a minority numbering a mere five million, and in constant fear of pogroms, would spend as much time as possible on the firing range?

Well, maybe just letting the military and police have guns wasn't such a great idea after all....

[Clemenza]

It has less to do with politics than the fact that many Yehudi are "urban bourgeois" in terms of their lifestyle and frame of mind. Such a mindset (common among most folks, of whatever ethnic/religious background) is that it is not up to the individual to defend themselves, and that it is the POLICE that are our ultimate defenders. This is a very European way of thinking, and one that places an undue burden on law enforcement (whose sole responsability is to make arrests and investigate crimes ie ENFORCE THE LAW). The urban bourgeois mentality, however, sees the police as a civil defense force, while viewing private firearms ownership as a "threat."

Even among the lower middle classes in the NE, this mentality is palpable, and often mixed with a little racism ie "we must control those animals with their guns."

In short, it is the urban bourgeois mentality that causes my Jewish friends and neighbors to embrace gun control more than anything else.