Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
And the truth of the matter is I got along very well with most of them. Of course, having a lib on the GOP campaign trail threw a wrench into it, apparently.
Did you see the post just a minute ago about the Pheps gang? FR is the Phelps gang? And Howlin’s post about us conservatives having had our foot on the neck of the Republican party for too long and never more will pro life and family values be core GOP principles (or some such nonsense)? Don’t you see where all this is leading?
I saw your compilation of quotes and loved that one...hope you don’t mind that I used it too soon after you shared it with us.
I’ve never heard of you before, and the reason for hanging around is because I care about FR and conservatism. You obviously know nothing about me, and I do not resemble any of your remarks.
Anyone who acts like it was only the fault of the “Evil Rudy Supporters” simply isn’t being honest about things.
***That’s how I see it. Honestly. That’s why I came up with this boilerplate for the more-heat-than-light threads:
As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults. And in short, I have noticed that rudy followers are simply rude.
Hildebeast is eminently beatable, this nonsense about rudy being the only one who can beat her is horse manure and impolite on this socon forum. For example, this article:
“Long Shot GOP Candidate Brownback Just Five Points Behind Clinton”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1798666/posts
We know that it simply means it’s very early in the race and that even no-name candidates are only 5 points behind Clinton. So the rudybots should stop supporting a social liberal on this social conservative forum and pick a real winner, rather than a ridiculous loser liberal like rudy.
The 2 polls on Free Republic put forth an obvious SOCON (only Hunter fits that description given) versus a SOLIB (it certainly fits rudy).
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=171
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=172
Rudy splits the base.
I have noticed time and again that rudy supporters rudely send up the false dilemma of “who would you vote for, Hildebeast or Rudy”. This particularly impolite at this early of a point in the primary cycle. Since this is a socon forum (not even a GOP forum), it is very impolite to ask double-bind questions, especially this early in the race.
Since team rudy is so fond of its own false dilemma, I would expect them to answer this false dilemma.
My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he splits the base, possibly splits the republican party, and loses the election.
Rudy followers’ contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.
Hypothetical to answer the rudy followers’ hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Regardless of who wins or loses, Free Republic and the republican party is better off with Duncan Hunter than Rudy as the candidate. This social liberal candidate is simply not healthy for the republican party nor for FR. And rudy followers are proving to be very impolite freepers.
Duncan Hunter’s campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/
Sam Hunter: Duncan Hunter’s Ambassador to Free Republic
3/13/2007
Posted on 03/13/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1800187/posts
Sam has been answering questions, unlike the crickets we hear on rudy threads.
Statement of Jim Robinson, Founder of Free Republic:
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.
That’s why socons are signing petitions such as this one:
http://theconservativedeclaration.wordpress.com/
Conservatives:
Rudy Giuliani is an unacceptable Republican nominee for President of the United States. He is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-registration of handguns, and pro-homosexual rights. He is the most liberal Republican candidate for President in our nation’s history.
Conservatives should leave no doubt that we will not support his candidacy under any circumstances. Therefore, we have created the Conservative Declaration of Independence to publicly state our position regarding the Republican Party’s consideration of a liberal as our Presidential nominee.
Please email theconservativedeclaration@hotmail.com to add your name to the list of signers.
Article II Supporting Evidence
Rudolf Giuliani explaining his liberal views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Rudolf Giuliani explaining his position on abortion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALDfwXIYUX0
Rudolf Giuliani dressed as female:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
Interview with gay couple Rudolf Giuliani lived with when Sept 11th occurred:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2001_Sept_11/ai_78265968
Ban on Partial Birth Abortions:
“No, I do not support that (a ban on partial birth abortion), and I do not see my position on that changing.”
Abortion:
“There must be public funding of abortion for poor women. We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decision about abortion because she lacks resources. I have also stated that I disagree with President’s Bush’s veto for public funding of abortion.”
Immigration:
“There is not a Mayor or Public Official in this country who is more pro-immigrant than I am.”
Gun Control:
“I am in favor of gun control”
“You know I am in favor of that (registration of all hand guns)”
Gay Rights:
”I support domestic partnership legislation and I signed it.”
Free Speech:
“I am a big supporter of McCain-Feingold and have been for a long time”
Party Loyalty:
”Frankly, I would like to run on all the lines. The liberal line, the conservative line, I would like to run on the Democratic line if I could figure out how to do it.”
“This site is dying an ugly death, and it makes me very sad.”
I just don’t see that. I’ve seen conservative values blooming and others doing some soul searching in what principles their willing to negotiate. I’m seeing growth and renewed enthusiasm. I’ve lurked long enough that I think my perception is also reality.
In that case, I find it highly hypocritical to not ban those from both sides that are guilty of the exact same type of behavior.
Individuals who are reacting to attacks are one thing. Folks who start out acting like idiots are another. And that goes for both sides.
And besides, when did stooping to the level of others become status quo? For that matter, when did it become something even close to proper? You can still respond to a horse’s ass with politeness, and in many cases make your point in a much clearer way.
LOL,,,some seem to be compulsive-foot-shooters,,,
“I wonder if it’s loaded”...;0)
Hello hello hello Nana!!!
Nope, I love that speech — I love many of Reagan’s brilliant speeches, but that is my favorite. Thanks for the perfect photo.
Yup. Same here.
I don’t know who the Phelps gang is. I just googled it and now I know them by name. FR is obviously not the Phelps gang. I don’t read all of Howlin’s posts either.
I don’t see it. Where is all of this leading?
Have you read this thread? Have you read the posts leading up to each of the bannings? I really suggest you do before making broad generalizations about what has happened here. The characterization in your last several posts are way off base, IMO, and not indicative of recent history.
Yea I know. Thanks for the warning.
Good, I really don’t care if you knew me, you do now.
If you care, you might show it.
Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping they're gone for good.
YeS!!!!!!!!!!!
If I had a buck for every nasty behind the scenes freepmail that was used to coordinate attacks on me, I'd be as rich as Bill Gates! ;-)
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