Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Delphinium]

I’m gona come back and check it out after I take a “play with the 4 year old break”.

[flashbunny]

“Well, there was a time, we were considered a serious political discussion site.”

Funny, I thought this was your replacement for the bar scene, according to one of your previous posts to me.

[cicero's_son]

What does being a “Limbaugh staffer” prove?

It proves more than being some anonymous goober on the Internet.

[Politicalmom]

He can’t declare until the Law and Order season is finished. If he does, the Equal Time rule would jeopardize the last episodes of the season. He is blogging a stream of position papers, clarifying points that might bug conservatives. He wouldn’t be doing that if he wasn’t going to run.

[pissant]

Does that make us Rudyphobes?

[Dominic Harr]

If standing for what I believe in makes me hopelessly out of touch, I will wear that moniker proudly.

I'm only suggesting that the reality isn't quite what is being perceived here.

It is possible, in a few years, that folks here on FR will have a very, very different perception of Rudy. It might even be that every single prediction of gloom and doom turns out to be 100% wrong.

And if that happens . . . if FR runs off everyone who sees things the way they really are . . . well, I'm just curious how this might all play out.

[mkjessup]

WHOSE principles do you stand on?
It’s a nice try to back out of what you said but it doesn’t fly. You typed quicker than you ‘thought’ because you have been dishing it out with all your vile comments. It’s all a heart issue and you exposed what’s in your heart. You merely posted on the quick - “You don’t stand on Godly principles” and then try the back door when called on it.
Jim, do you approve of his name calling and slurs when addressing me- , i.e., liberal, cretin. If someone ‘pretending to be against Rudy’ are they given a free pass. I’m sure lurkers are puzzled about this, also. This poster has caused more disruption to this thread and his intentions are not pure, IMO. His traits do not ring ‘conservative’.


Now hear this, whatever your name is (since you presently don't have one) I am anti-Rudy to the core, and in fact I am anti-Rudy because at one time I actually thought he might be a good candidate for the GOP, I heard his speech at the GOP '04 convention, I was impressed with what I heard.

Then I educated myself, learned more about what Rudy is all about, and it isn't about ANYthing conservative. His positions are well documented and he belongs with the 'Rat Party, not with Republicans. My anti-Rudy credentials are solid, and there are plenty of Freepers who will back that up.

Now you're trying a nice spin on the whole 'God' issue, but you can't refute what we posted to each other, nor can you spin the context into something it isn't.

You have no idea what is in my heart, because you don't know me. I fortunately don't answer to you, I answer to Jesus Christ who is my Saviour, and I will be the first to tell ANYone that they should look to Christ, not to my flawed soul for guidance, so you can take your self-righteous attempts at sliming my religious faith and jam 'em in whatever orifice you've got available. I will reiterate: I don't answer to you.

You have gone to great lengths to defend a former Freeper who threatened both JimRob AND myself with FBI visits, media pressure, and all over a harmless animated graphic, that she called a 'threat'. Now here you are, not only defending her, but questioning MY conservatism?

You don't know a damn thing about my 'traits' pal, and as for disruption?

That sounds like more liberal projecting from you.

We can keep right on with this until the cows come home, but you're all talk, and you got nothing.

[EternalVigilance]

Sanctimonious hypocrite.

What's the matter, your FReepercide by cop not going as fast as you wanted?

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

That’s not an answer. It’s an outburst.

Fortunately, I wasn’t expecting any more than that.

[DCPatriot]

bookmarked

[Kevmo]

I think this was it...

***Duncan Hunter is solid on two areas that cut deeply across party lines and appeal to mainstream voters. One is immigration, where middle america is fed up. The other is fair trade, again where middle america is fed up. He’s very strong on the kinds of issues that the average american admires.

Delphinium has a great example of how these kinds of polls and MSM trashing of socon candidates mean absolutely nothing when the time comes to push the lever. If anything, the negative media attention serves our purposes better when we have a good socon candidate. The media would turn on Rudy so fast it would make a galaxy spin.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787224/posts?page=464#305

Bill Sali won and he was very unashamedly pro-life, less government, less spending, no on taxes, free interprise , no homosexual marriage etc.. and support for the Iraq war securing our borders...all of Jims suggestions.

The media trashed him, the Rinos trashed him even in the general, The polls that the media reported had him so low it looked impossible.

He won big! They were reporting total lying polls to affect the election.

305 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:35 PM PST by Delphinium
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[Spiff]

I'LL SEE YOUR UPPERCASE AND RAISE YOU BOLDED AND ITALICIZED! TAKE THAT, YOU FONT BROWNSHIRT!

I'LL SEE YOUR UPPERCASE, BOLDED, AND ITALICIZED AND RAISE YOU CAPITALIZED, FONT SIZE +2, BOLDED, ITALICIZED, UNDERLINED, AND COLORIZED!!! TAKE THAT, YOU CRUDE, ILLITERATE FONT GOON!!!!

[EternalVigilance]

Oh, and thanks for the prayers.

Sure.

[cicero's_son]

but questioning MY conservatism?

Little gnat, you are no conservative.

You're just a small fry with a grudge.

[Crawdad]

I've been following the thread. I think I see something rather different happening.

Same here.

[Dominic Harr]

I'm trying to reply to everyone, but the mass of responses is overwhelming.

Please, forgive me if I miss answering someone's post.

If I do, ping me again to it. Thanks.

[Reagan Man]

Check this out: Jim`s post at 1716.

This “social conservative” vs “fiscal conservative” stuff is really getting nutty.

As for fiscal vs social conservatives, I wouldn’t consider a person conservative unless he was both.

~~~ JR

I agree. You can't be a half-baked conservative, and expect full fledged conservatives to accept you with open arms. I see you as a liberaltarian. Not a real conservative.

[flashbunny]

Damn, even I can’t compete with colorized text. You da man! ;)

[azhenfud]

I'LL SEE YOUR UPPERCASE AND RAISE YOU BOLDED AND ITALICIZED!

I'LL SEE YOUR UPPERCASE, BOLDED, AND ITALICIZED AND RAISE YOU UNDERLINED.