Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Elyse]

getting drunk (while holding a loaded weapon) and shooting your hunting partner in the face.

What the hell?! Are you trying to imply that Cheney was drunk when he had that accident?!? Disgusting.

[Zeroisanumber]

I’m sick of watching you Rooty Tooties feeling it necessary to pull everyone down to your level.

Huh?

I guess not much about this thread hit home with you, did it.

I've learned all sorts of things, most of them not all that pleasant. It's been a sad and sorry affair all around.

[Oliver Optic]

Careful boys. Last time three Southrons got to talking like this it turned into quite a mess. If anybody from the South Carolina legislature shows up with a general from Virginia, it's all over with.

[EternalVigilance]

I've learned all sorts of things, most of them not all that pleasant. It's been a sad and sorry affair all around.

That's funny. All the conservatives I know think this is a positive development...for conservatism, and for this site.

[Hildy]

You live in Alaska...you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[SittinYonder]

Would you believe I've seen an increase lately over here in Marietta

Honest to God, I'm telling you that y'all have a real problem. You've got Mexican gangs eating you up. My brother's in Cherokee, next door to you, and it's simmering under the surface there. Is your graffiti in Spanish?

[IrishRainy]

I am truly deeply sorry to read what appears to be your Opus from FR. I wish that weren't so.

I agree. I met Hildy at the MFJ on the first night at the hotel, and while we don't usually agree on some issues important to me (i.e., abortion), we do agree on others (for instance, the WOT). I'll miss your voice here...:(

[Zeroisanumber]

A big part of what makes a man a leader is where he's going. If he can get folks to follow him in the wrong direction, he's not a great leader.

Rudy's strong on the WoT, which I think is and should remain our national priority for the forseeable future. As for the rest, it'll be better than if the Dems had control of Congress and the Executive branch. At worst, it'll stay status quo.

[La Enchiladita]

But the state sneaks in and erodes the moral underpinnings that allow you to stand free. You pay a price. When the right to murder the unborn is considered a virtue, and the right to say Merry Christmas is considered a vice, something is wrong with that picture.

Preach on that, Sister!!

[jedward]

I suspect you haven’t been rabbit or pheasant hunting many times. Just a guess. No cool, but it happens.

I’ve been peppered and I’ve peppered others.

[EternalVigilance]

Huh?

Is that the Giuliani campaign's new slogan?

[Zeroisanumber]

What the hell?! Are you trying to imply that Cheney was drunk when he had that accident?!? Disgusting.

I've been a hunter for years Elyse, and hunters know quite well when and how accidents like that happen.

Hell, I remember the day it happened people were posting pictures of booze and making jokes about it.

[conservative in nyc]

Got any evidence that the VP was drinking before the accident?

Drinking? Yes:

Cheney told Fox he had had a beer at lunch, but the hunt did not begin until "sometime after 3 p.m."

Drunk? Absolutely none. One beer 3 or more hours before an accident shouldn't have any effect on any normal-sized person.

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than get in a car with a Kennedy any day.

[ladyinred]

You have no idea if Cheney was drunk or not. This is just sickening, this thread is unbelievable to begin with, and then you say this?

[Zeroisanumber]

I suspect you haven’t been rabbit or pheasant hunting many times. Just a guess. No cool, but it happens.

I've been pheasant hunting every fall for the last 13 years. I've never had it happen and I've never come close, nor has anyone that I hunt with.

I’ve been peppered and I’ve peppered others.

*ouch*

[EternalVigilance]

Rudy's strong on the WoT

Lying campaign spin.

Fact is, Giuliani thumbed his nose at the law to protect hundreds of thousands of illegal foreign nationals who now reside in NYC. His response to terror attacks in NYC was to go after law abiding citizens and their guns.

[Elyse]

You are a typical Rudy supporter. You don’t care how low you have to stoop to try to bring down conservatives in your attempt to lift up a liberal. You are disgusting.

[jedward]

“A big part of what makes a man a leader is where he’s going. If he can get folks to follow him in the wrong direction, he’s not a great leader.”

I’d just like to disagree on that point. Case in point, if the direction is also quite obviously the wrong direction to the average mentality and the person is able to still bring them with him/her in the wrong directino...that person’s skills are actually superior. Hitler should easily come to mind.

[SittinYonder]

the WoT, which I think is and should remain our national priority for the forseeable future

I gave Bush that pass in 2004, and he slapped me in the face with it.

Don't misunderstand, I remain a supporter of the President and am proud of the two votes I cast for him. But he squandered my first vote and only got my second vote because of the WOT trump card.

He gave me good judges, like he promised, but he also gave me Campaign Finance (should have vetoed it); No Child Left Behind; Prescription Drug Care; Marines in Prison and al Sadr ruling the roost; etc. etc. etc.

For me, no candidate after Bush gets a pass on everything else because of the WOT.

Tancredo; Hunter; Huckabee ... any number of the candidates or possible candidates can fight the WOT. Giuliani certainly doesn't have a lock on that issue.

[EternalVigilance]

Hell, I remember the day it happened people were posting pictures of booze and making jokes about it.

You really shouldn't hang out at DU.