Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
You need to go back and reread the thread. I didn't imply that Jim Robinson was a Nazi, jhensy did with her little "Show me zee papers..." reference that followed her Big Brother reference to Jim Robinson's handling of the liberal disruptors on this forum.
And yet, if the "salmon' don't make that effort to fight the flow, the species can't spawn and will die out. Those doomed salmon that fight that flow are what enables their species to live.
The very same is true of the ideas and principles upon which this Republic was founded. If we don't fight the flow that is sucking us down into tyranny, those ideas and principles will be extinguished as well.
You said that people should have the "choice."
Choiceis a founding fabric of this nation. Iguess you missed that part of freedom.
You are totally misinformed. The Founding Fathers founded our Republic based on the principles espoused in the Declaration of Independence -- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. They were put in this order for a reason, it is impossible to have one without the one that precedes it. YOU are advocating the taking of human life, everything else breaks down from there.
Again you talk numbers about something I already said I oppose and stated clearly that I oppose.
Yes, you endorsed the typical liberal position: "I oppose abortion for me, but everyone else should be allowed to make up their own mind." It is this mindset that has destroyed 50 MILLION lives.
The only way that ‘seems’ that way is if you dismiss what I wrote and remove context to provide the spin you are trying to employ.
Who cares where the “center has shifted”? Truth has not shifted. Right has not shifted. The laws of nature have not been repealed, conservative values are what will make our country great.
If you are trapped in a building, and it is on fire, and there is only one right way out, if the “tide shifts” and people don’t believe you and they are all walking to the wrong exit, going along with them and leading them to that exit isn’t a good strategy,
That is, unless your goal was to be in charge, rather than actually accomplishing something.
If the center moved left, and I doubt it, the answer isn’t to move with it, it is to use sites like this to train smart people how to defend conservative principles so we can go out and remind people of the truth and teach them the error of their ways.
We can’t do that if we are spending all our time fighting a rear guard attack on our conservatism on our own site by people pushing a liberal candidate.
EXCELLENT ANALYSIS!!!
Like you stated to Mo1, there are somethings that you don't know.
Liberal Republicans like JulieAnnie are much more dangerous than liberal democrats....
because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism....
MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!!!!
Do you agree or disagree that a person can be 100% opposed to Abortion as it pertains to their own choices and still understand that everyone else's choices are their own to make and to be accountable for? Do you agree or disagree that removing choice, in general, is a bad thing?
That is promoting the liberal position that kills 3000 infants a day. You also state that to REMOVE the choice to commit infanticid is a "bad thing."
You are very new around here, Free Republic is a conservative forum. Why are you on here saying that it is a "bad thing" to end abortion?
Just can the Mr. Roger's act. We know full well what you are saying. No one can benefit from giving people the choice to murder an innocent human being. I'm sure there are a lot of guys on death row that will think you have a pretty nifty idea there, though.
So, you go tell me who jhensy was imitating with the whole "Show me zee papers" thing? Which followed his reference to Jim Robinson being Big Brother. Go back and read it and give me your interpretation. And I don't hear jhensy defending those comments. He knows precisely what he meant.
LOL, if FR allows the political porn of commie-vampire rantings and BDSers, regularly, with glee, I dare say there is room for the evil Rudy supporters.
5.56mm
“Yeah, it’s terrible that threads like that are posted and squeeze out opportunities to post Giuliani’s win in yesterday’s straw poll at the IHOP in Ames.”
Damn, he won that one too? That was our last hope to stop him.
I guess he really is unstoppable now!
I wrote a WHOLE lot more than that partner. Maybe you should try reading it and then you would SEE that.
Had you read what I wrote, you would see that I talked about ending abortion as itis today. You just refuse to see that.
You are misrepresenting what I wrote and that is hardly an honorable thing to do.
PLEas epost where I suppot ending a human life. My post clearly says I support no such thing. I guess you missed that part.
False dilemma. There is no way to simply remove a fetus and let it mature artificially. SciFi speculation aside, in the here and now what you are arguing for is the retention of abortion for the convenience of the woman; as you state, women abort because they don't want to be pregnant. Well, once they become so, it's far too late to be deciding that. They have already passed up a range of options to prevent pregnancy in the vast majority of the cases.
Do the posts go that high?
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