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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Awesome, just awesome. Thank you.

:O)

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Run, FRED, run!

2,381 posted on 04/22/2007 11:53:59 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Yossarian

“When a place is in demand, you pay for it.”

“Gosh, I just learned that popularity = taxes, and that’s a good thing! NOT.”

Funny, when those new yorkers retire, they tend to go to states without income taxes. Those places are in demand, but they’re not the tax hell NY City is.

I wonder how they ever manage? Could it be they don’t spend huge amounts on social programs????


2,382 posted on 04/22/2007 11:54:06 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: streetpreacher; ohioWfan
If you, as a born again Christian, pull the lever for a candidate who supports the most extreme forms of abortion and homosexual activism, you will be responsible before the Lord and will be no better than the opposition.

What a load of crap. This country will be in deep "stuff" if Hillary gets into office.

2,383 posted on 04/22/2007 11:54:15 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: Reagan Man
I see you still can't see straight.

Last post to you.

2,384 posted on 04/22/2007 11:54:55 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: scratcher

LOL /sac

Your wife is your best friend.

She is one with you. You are one with her.

If you cheat on her, you cheat on yourself. If you can not trust yourself, don’t expect others to trust you either.


2,385 posted on 04/22/2007 11:55:25 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: indylindy
Go for a GOOD conservative candidate. Don’t settle for less out of fear!

NEVER!

2,386 posted on 04/22/2007 11:55:28 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: flashbunny
"However, unlike many of the rudy boosters here, I do not have the kind of stick up my butt that prevents me from having a sense of humor."

Flashbunny, that isn't a stick!

2,387 posted on 04/22/2007 11:56:02 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Kieri
If the GOP runs Rudy, then conservatives should RUN from the GOP.

I agree. If the GOP has come to this juncture then it's time to form a party of our own. It certainly will be a struggle to do this but at least when we cast our vote for candidates in that party we'll know what we are voting for.

2,388 posted on 04/22/2007 11:56:17 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Politicalmom
You are WAY too knowledgeable for a newbie. Been lurking long? :)

A while, mostly I ran through a lot of old posts - within the last couple of years - I watched the Rather thing unwind, and almost signed up then - I had a very well written piece that proved, scientifically, that the documents were forged. Charles at LGF posted his (now famous) .gif overlay, and - well, a picture is worth a thousand words. I had nothing to contribute that would make the point clearer - and so, chose not to jump into the 'inferno' that was raging. The sides had been chosen, and nothing I said would make any difference to the idiots that immediately started talking about 'the content'.

I finally signed up (on Friday, the 13th) because I kept seeing totally wacko stuff being left unchallenged, and that I knew I could do.

I don't know what inspired some of the stuff that I put on this thread, I guess that I thought it might be fun to kind of be the little guy in the margins (a MAD magazine reference) for a while.

Sadly, some of my best stuff can not be posted. I don't want anybody to find it in a Google search...

2,389 posted on 04/22/2007 11:56:21 AM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: streetpreacher; Dog Gone
My seven-year-old is forcing me off the computer so he can play “Toon Town”. Goodness...

That is more intellectual than FR is these days.

2,390 posted on 04/22/2007 11:56:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: flashbunny
That’s the worst thing about rudybots, and how you can tell they’re on the losing side- almost no humor at all. Meanwhile the people fighting for conservative principles are usually having fun doing it.

I know that by answering you, you'll get goose bumps but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to touch such moranic babble.

Even Rick Santorum has a sense of humor.


2,391 posted on 04/22/2007 11:57:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RadioAstronomer
Holy Cow! FR eats it’s own - news at 11.

Actually it's FR exposing those who attempt to pose as Conservatives by referring to themselves as "Social Conservatives" or "Moderate Republicans" but actually accept some if not many socialist ideals.
2,392 posted on 04/22/2007 11:57:59 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Well, I can guarantee you that I don’t like the fact that Fred gave to Hilery over Ed Bryant. That gave us a choice between Mama’s boy Corker or Harold “I never saw a bribe that I could turn down” Ford Jr. family.
2,393 posted on 04/22/2007 11:58:22 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: processing please hold

I’ve seen enough of your posts to know not to respond to them......especially about something as serious as my faith.


2,394 posted on 04/22/2007 11:58:27 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Mr. Ramsbotham:I'd rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani

But once again, it does not say he would VOTE for hillary, just that he'd rather "elect Hillary". This was in a post that suggested if we stayed home we'd be "electing hillary", so he could well have meant just that he would not vote for Rudy, even if it meant Hillary would win.

I've pinged him in in case he'd like to expound further.

Sorry, but I was speaking ironically there. The sad fact is that every bad quality you can ascribe to Giuliani is possessed to an even greater degree by Hillary. Moreover, Giuliani has a number of positive factors going for him (from a conservative perspective) that Hillary doesn't. Believe me, if it comes down to a choice between the two, I'll vote Giuliani, in the full knowledge that I'll be getting a mixed bag.

Given the choice of death or bulunga, commend me to the latter!

2,395 posted on 04/22/2007 11:58:48 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Reagan Man
More importantly, comparing Rudy Giuliani to Ronald Reagan is an insult to the Reagan legacy. Rudy is a liberal. Reagan was a conservative.

Now that you bring that comparison up, Rudy agreed with Reagan on some things. Read the Rudy speech at the Reagan libray. Certainly, there are conservative things that Reagan believed that Rudy doesn't get. Roe v. Wade and the Constitution, 2A....

It's not a matter of promoting Rudy. It's the matter of shouting out when conservatism is practiced and succeeds. Even in the liberal hell whole that is NYC.

2,396 posted on 04/22/2007 11:58:54 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RadioAstronomer
Gotta agree with you on that one, RA!

Time to leave this thread and go outside to get some fresh air!

2,397 posted on 04/22/2007 11:59:22 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: indylindy
Go for a GOOD conservative candidate. Don’t settle for less out of fear!

HEAR HEAR!!

2,398 posted on 04/22/2007 11:59:34 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: Man50D

I don’t agree. This does come to mind however:

Reichsmordwoche


2,399 posted on 04/22/2007 11:59:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: VictoryGal
Hi Melas... I think both you and Jim are correct. One difference does not a liberal make. I doubt that Jim or anyone here would say that Cheney is a liberal, even when he supports his gay daughter. But if someone like Rudy is liberal on several issues (gun control, abortion, gay issues, immigration), you just can’t call yourself conservative.

Would you agree with that?

Fair enough. I certainly don't disagree with it. I think I alluded to this in an earlier post, but lately I've been having some misgivings about Rudy myself. Not to the point where I'm ready to abandon him as a candidate, but Fred Thompson is looking awfully good to me lately.

However, I'm going to be perfectly honestly. I've grown to hate some of the anti-Rudy crowd so much, because of their own visciousnes. It's gotten to the point where I've gotten up from the computer and talked to myself about how much I'd like some face time with some of the more vile posters as I walked down the hall to get a glass of water.

I keep going back to this one, but what kind of coward of a man calls a woman a piece of ----? Worse, he got away with it, and not a word was said. I'd say I was appalled but the word fails to caputre the level of my contempt.

2,400 posted on 04/22/2007 12:00:05 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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