Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
This thread was posted for no other reason than to stir up this kind of heated and passionate conversation. Then, to single out any members who believe differently from those who tow the forum line and get rid of them.
Calling someone “Liberal” because they support a GOP candidate who influential people on this forum does not, is unhealthy for the forum. When so many devoted and respected conservatives outside this forum support Giuliani, then how does that make them “Liberals” because of who they support, regardless of their personal beliefs.
The label game just does nothing to advance the philosophy, it only alienates and repels future recruits and member participation.
“Yes, Jim banned Peach”
Yep, but in reality Peaches banned Peaches. She obviously wanted banned and set out to do so.
Oh sorry, I know some who might celebrate that fact. I personally like to keep liberals around to argue with.
You just made the list. Be afraid. Be very afraid...
“Yep, but in reality Peaches banned Peaches.”
Oh, very true. She is responsible for her own actions that led to her banishment. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Just answering a question.
Right now, in latest posts you won't find a single thread about gays or abortion. Dozens of posters, including me, have repeatedly asked Giuliani supporters to provide his credentials on national security and I've yet to receive an answer. Maybe you can provide one.
Women. It’s one of the reasons my wife is not allowed to FReep.
Speaking of which, where’s my coffee?!!
veronica wrote: “Americans... tend to vote for the sane middle of the conservative spectrum, a la Reagan, and IMO, Rudy.”
Veronica, Rudy comes from nowhere on the political spectrum even remotely close to Ronald Reagan. Consider the VoteMatch questionnaire responses of the two:
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topic 1: Abortion is a woman’s right
Reagan: Opposes
Giuliani: Strongly Favors
topic 3: Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws
Reagan: Opposes
Giuliani: Strongly Favors
topic 4: Permit prayer in public schools
Reagan: Strongly Favors
Giuliani: Opposes
topic 5: More federal funding for health coverage
Reagan: Opposes
Giuliani: No Opinion
topic 6: Privatize Social Security
Reagan: Strongly Favors
Giuliani: No Opinion
topic 10: Absolute right to gun ownership
Reagan: No Opinion
Giuliani: Opposes
topic 13: Support & expand free trade
Reagan: Strongly Favors
Giuliani: No Opinion
Conclusions:
Ronald Reagan is a Hard-Core Conservative
Rudy Giuliani is a Moderate Libertarian
http://www.issues2000.org/Ronald_Reagan_VoteMatch.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani.htm
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Now, what was that about Rudy and Reagan both being from the “middle of the conservative spectrum?” Neither one is or was.
Ya know, Veronica, that’s the thing that bothers me the most about Rudynistas. You folks are so poorly informed that it’s really, really scary.
He got fed up with it. Looking back at the posts, I think he’s made his reasons very clear.
Hillary Clinton,Is She Conservative?
Reasons I pose the question:
1 Rudy is a Liberal
2. GW Bush is a Liberal
3. GHW Bush is a Liberal
4. Fred Thompson is a Liberal
5. John McCaine is a Liberal
6 Hillary was for Goldwater (before Goldwater became a Liberal)
7. Hillary believes in God (raised a Methodist...so we know she believes in a good Christian God)
8.Liberals and People at DU hate her(she must be a consevative)
9.Hillary supported the war in Iraq (well, she used to)
Being a member of the Class of 98, I've never seen a newbie talk smack the way you do.
Some FReepers think the definition of conservatism is hatred for the Clintons. How did the “Anybody but Bush” mantra work out for the Democrats?
Where there is no vision, the people perish.
First, he would appoint SOLID personnel like Kerik to head Homeland Security. Second, he would put more restrictions on gun ownership. Third, he would let gays serve openly in the military (that can only help morale..lol). Four he will continue to give sanctuary to illegal aliens. That's only four, but it's a start. /s
Jack booted fascist boot licker?
The problem is, no candidate that meets all your criteria has yet emerged to gain any traction, either in the polls, or interms of financial support. So, show me someone who can and will be viable...I'd support Hunter, or Fred, in a heartbeat, both with $$$ and work on the campaign..but they've got to show me something first..
BTW..much has been made of the fact that Dems are raising much more $$$ than the GOP for the first time ever. IMHO, this is actually a good sign for us..it means that a great many people haven't made up their mind..or want to see a candidate show that he can go the distance, before "investing" their hard earned money..
Jim..FYI..just for you..the Clinton staffers here in beautiful downtown Chappaqua are just, thrilled, ecstatic that MiaT has been banned...
Welcome to FR.
I could see that she was pushing too hard and knew it was coming, but knew if I stated that she would just take it as an attack on her because it is well known that I despise Rooty.
How come the majority of Dems who won in 2006 didn’t run as “moderates” but as conservatives? Why did they only gain a narrow majority by narrow victories? The election was 50/50. Nothing has changed since 2000.
“The label game just does nothing to advance the philosophy...”
If I were a liberal I wouldn’t want to be labeled either. Advancing the philosophy of conservatism is not hindered by calling a liberal a liberal. There are lots of liberal power mongers in the Republican Party. Just go to your local meetings, you will see them.
Seems so.
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