[presidio9]

This study would have been a lot more helpful if it included a comparative analysis. I have no doubt that spanking (and, more importantly, the THREAT of a spanking) is a more effective behavior modifier than "time outs." Children are not miniature adults ya know.

[Eagle Eye]

First problem is that these parents don't understand the difference between discipline and punishment.

[TomServo]

Hit 'em again
Hit 'em again
Harder
Harder

[WestTexasWend]

"Time out" is used by parents who lack the will or skill to tackle behavior problems.

It teaches a child nothing about what they've done wrong... after all, if they have the capacity to self-reform they're unlikely to be troublemakers.

What it does teach them is that, at a certain (and diminishing) point, mom and dad will leave them alone.

Their bad acts have no tangible consequences ~ until they're big enough or bad enough, at which point the parents will weep about the child being "out of control" when they, as parents, refused to take control all along.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

I always looked to two sources for child-raising techniques: the Bible (what better child expert can you find than God), and the distant past, when kids behaved, respected their parents, obeyed their parents, didn't launch criminal careers at the age of twelve, and grew up to be psychologically and emotionally healthy, productive, alot of times successful, normal human beings.

And what did these sources have in common? Zero tolerance for bad behavior, consistent discipline, swift, painful punishment for bad behavior, and lots of love, time, attention, and devotion to children.

Simple methods, amazing results. My kids are grown now, and never once did I have any problems with teenage rebellion, drugs, "acting out", sneaking around, lying, sex - none of what I hear and read about other people going through with their kids.

Somebody ought to write a book.....

[sitetest]

Dear presidio9,

Although I have nothing against spanking in principle, neither my wife nor I have ever had to resort to it.

My two sons are joys, and, at ages 12 and 9, are pretty much self-disciplined by now, and need little more than occasional discipline, admonishment, and encouragement.

Folks have always remarked at their exemplary behavior.


sitetest

[DocRock]

[stm]

This disciplinary tool/method worked damn well on me......

[LowOiL]

I do the butt whoop approach... First I look at the monster in a serious look (knowing inside I love him, no matter what)... Then I point (no words) towards the bedroom (or somewhere private if in a public arena)... Then I do the 3 question + answer thing, just so he know what exactly he did wrong. I say drop the drawers... and after 1-5 wacks (depending on the crime in question)... (much snot and tears in this section, omitted for your convience)... I tell him not to do it again and that it is forgotten for now.

Instant punishment, instand forgiveness after that punishment, no grudges... happy well behaved kids. Works for us...

[Fido969]

I got the crap beat out of me for "discipline". As a result I am honest, respectful and hardworking. As a result, I wish more kids today were like me. Hell, my parents like to tell me how proud they are how I turned out.

[Popman]

Barkin and colleagues think pediatricians should address discipline when parents bring their children to the doctor’s office for visits.

That'd real funny, if my children's pediatrician addressed my discipline methods I used on my children, he would quickly learn the meaning of "pound sand"

[Timmy]

and, more importantly, the THREAT of a spanking

The "threat" of a spanking means nothing unless the threat is backed up by a real hammerin' when it's not heeded.

[Chode]

you'll always get MORE of what you put up with...

[Albion Wilde]

Earlier thread, same topic.

[Centurion2000]

Parents Say Discipline Isn't Working on Kids

Spank harder. It works.

[Joan Kerrey]

What works for one not always works for another but...
My folks used a merit/demerit system that worked most of the time.

Chores were assigned to be done at specific times.
Chores done on time got full 100% rating with a loss of 10% per hour for delay. Chores not done at all got no points.
All chores completed on time for the whole week got matching points which doubled the weeks standard allowance.

In other words there was a base allowance which would be paid if the chores got done, even late. But it could be forfeited entirely if no chores were done at all but double the base allowance if all chores were done on time.

No allowance effectively grounds most kids who have no money to go out and do things. I can't remember a time when the chores didn't get done, even if late.

This discipline bled over to all aspects of our behavior.

[ChildOfThe60s]

A parental fear of consistancy.

Disipline doesn't have to be brutal or mean. Just well thought out, appropriate, and above all, consistent.

This "study" is worthless. As are most so called studies of this nature.

[familyop]

Isn't European pagan religion and romanticism great? The obvious answer is to continue to promote adultery and exaggerated news opinions about lesser crimes. Build more prisons for the neanderthall (masculine) "males" and more corporate houses of ill repute for the other six "genders." Keep having the subservient masses of peasants in alien cultures to do most of our work.

Isn't it great? It will keep the potential competition down, and its worked for over 20 years so far.

Someone should write a book about it. How about..."Our Government Has Two Mommies." Enjoy the US fatherlessness imposed by both political parties while you can.

[Pagey]

bttt

[Dionysius]

The crux of the issue is that children no longer fear their parents.

[aruanan]

so that they can apply positive parenting to improve outcomes in children

I guess they had to go to a special school to learn to talk like this.