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Parents Say Discipline Isn't Working on Kids
Live Science ^ | 01/09/07

Posted on 01/09/2007 3:03:21 PM PST by presidio9

If you think you’re the only parent struggling to rear an unruly child destined to become a careless member of the society, think again. Almost one-third of parents believe their disciplining styles are ineffective.

In a survey of more than 2,000 parents of children between the ages of 2 and 11, researchers for the first time examined four common ways of disciplining kids —“time-outs,” removal of privileges, yelling and spanking.

More than 45 percent of the parents reported using time-outs as a disciplinary action. Almost 42 percent removed their child’s privileges, followed by 13 percent who resorted to yelling and 9 percent who opted to spank their children, the researchers report in the January issue of the journal Clinical Pediatrics.

Almost 31 percent of participants reported they believed their methods were not effective, and more than 38 percent were using the same discipline methods their own parents used on them as a child.

“There was actually an inverse relationship between self-reports of yelling at children and perceived effectiveness of discipline,” said lead study author Shari Barkin, a physician at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt. “But we strongly suspect that both yelling and spanking might be underreported, because we know when parents perceive their methods are not working, as one-third reported, then emotions can quickly escalate,” she said.

Barkin and colleagues think pediatricians should address discipline when parents bring their children to the doctor’s office for visits.

“Discipline is a central element of what parents do every day, and it’s important to develop systems to support parents so that they can apply positive parenting to improve outcomes in children,” Barkin told LiveScience.com.

“In this study, we altered the manner in which we asked families about discipline," she explained. "This created a shared dialogue rather than a lecture."


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This study would have been a lot more helpful if it included a comparative analysis. I have no doubt that spanking (and, more importantly, the THREAT of a spanking) is a more effective behavior modifier than "time outs." Children are not miniature adults ya know.
1 posted on 01/09/2007 3:03:23 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Children are not miniature adults ya know.

Thank God for that, some adults want a spanking....blech.

2 posted on 01/09/2007 3:06:54 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, thats how you sell clothing.)
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To: presidio9

I don't know what the deal is with these folks, but the idea of losing her cell phone or not seeing her boyfriend for a few days puts my teen right in line.


3 posted on 01/09/2007 3:07:09 PM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: presidio9

First you have to APPLY disipline. Talk comes later.


4 posted on 01/09/2007 3:07:53 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: presidio9

"time-outs,” removal of privileges, yelling and spanking."


Most effective: spanking

Least effective: "removal of privileges"


5 posted on 01/09/2007 3:10:25 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: presidio9
I think the majority of problems are parents who first succomb to the will of the child. Later on, disciplinary issue become more apparent, and the adults decide to implement punitive measures. Since the child has progressed for so long with no disciplinary instruction, such lessons occuring at a later date are lost upon the child, and an escalation of said measures has little effect.

Basically, it's possible that these parents dropped the ball from day one, only to have the problem blow up in their faces a few years down the road.

Thank you, and well done liberal parents!

6 posted on 01/09/2007 3:10:26 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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I can imagine this same survey given two generations ago.
% Satisified with results of their discipline 95%
% Using spanking 95%
 
% using "time outs" - 0% -
Quote from a survey particpant -"Time Out?? - What the hells a time out?  I wanna punsih the boy not play ball with him."
 

7 posted on 01/09/2007 3:10:51 PM PST by azcap
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First you have to APPLY discipline. Talk comes later. I have spanked (hand only - applied to derriere in a swift manner - repeat as needed) my two less than you can count on one hand - that threat now goes a very long way.
8 posted on 01/09/2007 3:11:43 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: USMCWife6869

I tell my son his Nintendo Gamecube is going away for a week and the boy becomes a saint.


9 posted on 01/09/2007 3:11:48 PM PST by Halls (God, please grant me the serenity to accept what I can not change....)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Spankings work best. You never forget your spankings and what you did to deserve it. Time outs don't work, my sister's girls are living proof. The ceaseless whining is enough to make your head explode. I wasn't allowed to whine and now I know why.


10 posted on 01/09/2007 3:13:54 PM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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To: presidio9

The situation is as described by Machiavelli. Once the ruler tries to begin by being beneficent the game is over and will play out only one way. Blame Skinner and the other enlightened Liberals.


11 posted on 01/09/2007 3:14:31 PM PST by RightWhale
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"more than 38 percent were using the same discipline methods their own parents used on them as a child."


The Dr. Spock method, I'm sure, as evidenced by the amount of "time-outing" and "removing privilege" (both of the same ilk).


12 posted on 01/09/2007 3:14:41 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Caipirabob

In order for discipline to be effective, it must be consistent. In other words, the parents must be disciplined in order for them to instill any discipline in their children.

My wife and I use the same methods that have worked for thousands of years: consistently reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. If applied consistenly, ie, with discipline, it works every time.


13 posted on 01/09/2007 3:14:44 PM PST by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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I disagree on the spanking issue if only because my parents beat the crap out of me and the only thing I learned was not to get caught. I have never laid a hand on my kids. They are now in their late teens and, unlike me when I was a teen, they have never really done anything deserving of the woodshed. My approach was consistant standards of behavior and firm, immediate, and consistant consequences for failure to meet those standards.


14 posted on 01/09/2007 3:15:00 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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Discipline sure worked for me. When my Dad said "Get TO Bed" you moved! If you walked a bit to slow you got a shoe right in the ass!


15 posted on 01/09/2007 3:15:55 PM PST by 4yearlurker ("Nothing is true,and everything is permitted"--7 th Satanic vow. Sounds like Liberalism!)
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To: King Moonracer

Rosie want to know if she heard somebody say "spanking."

16 posted on 01/09/2007 3:16:21 PM PST by presidio9 (Karl Rove has the weather machine set on "defrost")
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I think my mom disciple my brother more than me sometime I need little spanking to straghting me out LOL!


17 posted on 01/09/2007 3:17:00 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: SF Republican
I have spanked (hand only - applied to derriere in a swift manner - repeat as needed) my two less than you can count on one hand - that threat now goes a very long way.

Amen to that. I actually can't remember the last time I spanked my kids. All I have to do is give them the "look," and they know they have about 1 millisecond to get their act together. It's rare that I even have to use the "look" anymore because they know where the line is and they damn sure know better than to cross it.

18 posted on 01/09/2007 3:17:29 PM PST by highimpact
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To: presidio9

“But we strongly suspect that both yelling and spanking might be underreported, because we know when parents perceive their methods are not working, as one-third reported, then emotions can quickly escalate,” she said.

"Barkin and colleagues think pediatricians should address discipline when parents bring their children to the doctor’s office for visits.

“Discipline is a central element of what parents do every day, and it’s important to develop systems to support parents so that they can apply positive parenting to improve outcomes in children,” Barkin told LiveScience.com."



I smell condoning the weak-kneed approaches - "escalate", "doc should be the snitch", and "positive parenting", all hallmarks of the Dr. Spock wieny push-over methods.


19 posted on 01/09/2007 3:18:06 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: azcap


Totally depends on the kid.


20 posted on 01/09/2007 3:18:55 PM PST by helen crump
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