[toddlintown]

First you have to APPLY disipline. Talk comes later.

[SF Republican]

First you have to APPLY discipline. Talk comes later. I have spanked (hand only - applied to derriere in a swift manner - repeat as needed) my two less than you can count on one hand - that threat now goes a very long way.

[Marysecretary]

Exactly. It helps if it's the father who does the disciplining and not always mom. Children are MUCH more apt to listen to dad than their mother, who is probably always telling them what to do and not to do. We get tuned out.