Surgeon General Carmona Leaves Post (Dancing in the streets alert!)

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | uly 31, 2006 | KEVIN FREKING

[SheLion]

WASHINGTON -- Quietly leaving his post as surgeon general, Dr. Richard Carmona said he would judge himself successful if he had persuaded one student to make good health choices or one mother to stop smoking.

Carmona's report condemning secondhand smoke was a hallmark of his tenure as the nation's 17th surgeon general.

[SheLion]

No, it doesn't back you up at all. It proves the hype about secondhand smoke is just that......exaggerated hype, financed by pharmaceutical nicotine interests.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/will-there-be-investigation-into-this.html

Right on!

 

No, it doesn't back you up at all. It proves the hype about secondhand smoke is just that......exaggerated hype, financed by pharmaceutical nicotine interests.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/will-there-be-investigation-into-this.html

Right on!

 

[383rr]

"Posters created by the Surgeon General that is the subject of this thread are not relevant?"

Yes. Anything created by the office of propaganda is relevant to ALL your postings. Good work. Carry on.

[mwernimont]

OSHA safe level (PEL) for nicotine is 0.5 mg divided by ACS result 20 nanograms, which is also 0.000020 of a mg. Thus, 0.5 /0.00002 = 25,000 times safer than OSHA regulations.

You can find all that information in this post:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

[SheLion]

Did you read this post ray the ACS test results PROVE secondhand smoke is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for secondhand smoke.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

SAFER.....so where's the health hazard?

Wow! You have done a lot of work on this issue.  Want to be added to my ping list for the smoking threads? :)

[Eagle Eye]

Care to explain what exposure rates to secondhand smoke cause cancer in humans?

[383rr]

"I can't WAIT to hear his answer on THIS one! heh!"

I doubt it will get muuch response. It isn't nanny approved.

[mwernimont]

Thank you SheLion it covers about 2 years of research exposing the antis for what they really are charlatans, scam artists, and hired pharmaceutical nicotine activists.

[RinaseaofDs]

No, because this man is the patron saint of junk science. There's not a scintilla of evidence available that proves secondhand smoke kills anything.

[7thson]

Four ribbons/medals. What about the other five rows?

Off the top of my head - and I admit to swagging some answers - Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Army NG, Air NG. I do not like to include the USCG because - unless war is declared by Congress - the USCG is now part of Homeland Security and not DoD.

[383rr]

Good posts. Thank you.

[7thson]

Alright, after my answer, I googled it and all I have to say is - you've got to be kidding me!

[SheLion]

Thank you SheLion it covers about 2 years of research exposing the antis for what they really are charlatans, scam artists, and hired pharmaceutical nicotine activists.

You are well informed!  Where have you BEEN???? hehe!

[Bigh4u2]

"Also, note that since it has not been listed as a cause of death it has never been ruled out either."

That's like saying that there is no proof someone died from a tree falling on them, but It's 'possible' it could have happened.

It's a canard, and position that has no merit!

Either you died from smoking or you didn't. There isn't any 'in between'!



"Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body and if you are exposing children and others to it you are harming your fellow beings. Like it or not."

Bull crap!

My wife and I have smoked around our children since they were born and NEITHER ONE of them has developed Asthma or any other breathing problems.

And the same goes for my brother and sisters whose kid have had no ill effects from 'second hand smoke'.

You have no more proof than the EPA does or Surgeon General did.

[Eagle Eye]

Did you read this post ray the ACS test results PROVE secondhand smoke is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for secondhand smoke

No, that's not what that says...it says that the amounts are 25,000 times lower. That does NOT even imply 25,000 times safer, just lower.

[Raycpa]

Does it matter? The Federal government will now be giving it credence. The smoking bans that follow will have the stamp of approval of US Congress and President.

The mission to stop them is all but lost.

[MEGoody]

the adults in charge make their world smaller and smaller each day.

If the adults are in charge, why would they want a smaller world?

Oh, I get it - so they won't have to be exposed to all that nasty smoke.

I would imagine that, in their smaller world, the 'adults' will also stop driving, since car exhaust is known to be harmful if breathed.

[mwernimont]

"Want to be added to my ping list for the smoking threads?"

I would be happy to stay informed. By the way stop by anytime to see, research, or link to any posts I may have on subjects of interest.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/

[mwernimont]

If an OSHA regulated substance is 25,000 times lower than OSHA regulations.......it is also 25,000 times SAFER than that OSHA regulation.

[SheLion]

My wife and I have smoked around our children since they were born and NEITHER ONE of them has developed Asthma or any other breathing problems.

And the same goes for my brother and sisters whose kid have had no ill effects from 'second hand smoke'.

You have no more proof than the EPA does or Surgeon General did.

And the same with me and my family.

My daughter never ever developed asthma or is not allergic to anything!  And she was brought up in a smoking household.

[Eagle Eye]

Does it matter?

Absolutely.

If there is no dose/response correlation, then there is little evidence of causation.

Without causation what do you have?

Yes, there is a positive correlation between smoking and a variety of health ailments, but so far no one has proven that x amount of smoking will produce y type of effects in humans.

IOW, some of you have to rely on falsehoods in order to further your agenda.