Surgeon General Carmona Leaves Post (Dancing in the streets alert!)

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | uly 31, 2006 | KEVIN FREKING

[SheLion]

WASHINGTON -- Quietly leaving his post as surgeon general, Dr. Richard Carmona said he would judge himself successful if he had persuaded one student to make good health choices or one mother to stop smoking.

Carmona's report condemning secondhand smoke was a hallmark of his tenure as the nation's 17th surgeon general.

[SheLion]

The liar leaves town!  Couldn't stand the heat, I would imagine, coming from his filthy lies about second hand smoke killing everyone.

If anyone can't see why he is running with his tail between his legs is still living in the dark ages!

The Liar Leaves the White House!

[SheLion]

Sure made MY day!!!!!

[raybbr]

Dancing in the streets because of one guy quitting his job that advocates quitting smoking as a healthy choice????

[Raycpa]

While smokers trade insults like childern, the adults in charge make their world smaller and smaller each day.

[SheLion]

Dancing in the streets because of one guy quitting his job that advocates quitting smoking as a healthy choice????

Not at all.  But if you have been following him and his lies about second hand smoke, then you would understand why we are so happy to see him leaving.

If he was a firm believer in what he said about shs, he would stand tall.  But I guess he couldn't take the heat of his lies and is leaving. 

And that is just what he is!  A big liar!

None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life, but there are a lot worse things adults can do with themselves.  Cigarettes are a legal commodity.  And no one can ever produce a death certificate that second hand smoke ever killed ANYONE!

Dancing in the streets because of one guy quitting his job that advocates quitting smoking as a healthy choice????

Not at all.  But if you have been following him and his lies about second hand smoke, then you would understand why we are so happy to see him leaving.

If he was a firm believer in what he said about shs, he would stand tall.  But I guess he couldn't take the heat of his lies and is leaving. 

And that is just what he is!  A big liar!

None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life, but there are a lot worse things adults can do with themselves.  Cigarettes are a legal commodity.  And no one can ever produce a death certificate that second hand smoke ever killed ANYONE!

[Raycpa]

Dancing in the streets because of one guy quitting his job that advocates quitting smoking as a healthy choice????

Uh oh. INCOMING!!!!!!

[SheLion]

If you remember back when idiot Koop was the Surgeon General and the courts put him and David Keesler on the stand about their lies about smoking, they took the fifth.  Because they couldn't tell the truth, and they took the 5th like the lying cowards they were.

Koop resigned soon after that and even went bankrupt.  I see he is making money now with his life alert on a TV ad.  But we smokers will never forget the lies he and David Keesler were spewing back in his day about cigarettes.  And since he couldn't produce the truth, he too, left with his tail between his legs.

[SheLion]

"Smokers Rights neither promotes smoking nor denies the health risks of smoking. Instead, we defend the interests of adults who choose to smoke; we promote freedom of choice for employers and proprietors who wish to accommodate smokers on their premises; and we speak out against those who want to discriminate against smokers or ban smoking completely. Last but not least, we promote greater courtesy and tolerance between smokers and non-smokers.

[Raycpa]

Carmona's term expired over the weekend with no announcement from the Health and Human Services Department. The department did send out an internal memo from Assistant Health Secretary John Agwunobi saying he regretted Carmona's term was up, and on Monday a letter Carmona wrote to his fellow officers of the U.S. Public Health Service began to circulate on Capitol Hill.

[SheLion]

DON'T LET THE HEADLINES FOOL YOU
Court throws out challenge to EPA findings on secondhand smoke - (December 2002) - The ruling was based on the highly technical grounds that since the EPA didn't actually enact any new regulations (it merely declared ETS to be a carcinogen without actually adopting any new rules), the court had no jurisdiction to rule in the matter.  This court ruling on the EPA report is NOT a stamp of approval for that report. Judge Osteen's criticisms of the EPA report are still completely valid and is accompanied by other experts.

The Illinois Clean Air Act, banning smoking in public and government buildings and on public transportation has been in effect for over 15 years.  This is not an issue about smoking in public buildings....it is about removing the rights of private businesses...restaurants and bars and smoking outdoors.   Most people don't even understand what these intrusive bans are about and it is being implied that everyone smokes everywhere.  That hasn't been the case for a long, long time.  

Oak Ridge Labs, TN & SECOND HAND SMOKE 

Statistics and Data Sciences Group Projects

I think any anti who tries to dismiss the findings of the U.S. Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, should be confronted with the question: "Are you saying that DOE researchers committed scientific fraud and that their findings on ETS exposure are untrue?" But where does this Taliban-like anti-smoking campaign come from? It can't really be this stuff about second-hand smoke. The famous 1992 Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) study showing a causal relationship between second-hand smoke and cancer was so roundly debunked as junk science (even by other federal agencies) it was finally declared "null and void" by a federal judge. Sure, second-hand smoke can be annoying, and it can't be healthy, but if you relegate smokers to their own enclosed space _ say a bar or a separate part of a restaurant where people, including staff, only go of their own free will _ who can object?

[SheLion]

Carmona's term expired over the weekend with no announcement from the Health and Human Services Department. The department did send out an internal memo from Assistant Health Secretary John Agwunobi saying he regretted Carmona's term was up, and on Monday a letter Carmona wrote to his fellow officers of the U.S. Public Health Service began to circulate on Capitol Hill.

More smoke and mirrors.

Carmona's term expired over the weekend with no announcement from the Health and Human Services Department. The department did send out an internal memo from Assistant Health Secretary John Agwunobi saying he regretted Carmona's term was up, and on Monday a letter Carmona wrote to his fellow officers of the U.S. Public Health Service began to circulate on Capitol Hill.

More smoke and mirrors.

[Vaquero]

The problem with Washington and smoking is all the revenue generated by smoking.

So instead of banning cigarettes like they have with other substances, they complain about it...get their Surgeons General to comdemn the activity, but they will never never ban it.

I am not saying they should ban it, but either sh*t or get off the pot. It is a legal substance, period, case closed.

[raybbr]

None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life, but there are a lot worse things adults can do with themselves. Cigarettes are a legal commodity. And no one can ever produce a death certificate that second hand smoke ever killed ANYONE!

Has smoking ever been put on a death certificate as the cause of death?

[SheLion]

American Cancer Society catches the Surgeon General in an outright lie...
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | July 1, 2006

The Surgeon General showed up very regal looking to provide a press release rehashing the tired old argument that secondhand smoke is deadly and must be banned. And with his next statement:

Separate "no smoking" sections DO NOT protect you from secondhand smoke. Neither does filtering the air or opening a window.

It seemed a feeble attempt to pre-empt any action short of a total smoking ban.....as if to confirm that pro-smoking ban activists' credibility in the public is failing miserably.

Well I am sorry to report that the American Cancer Society conducted air quality testing at several smoking venues which prove the Surgeon General flat out wrong.

Take a look at the above table, do you see the 20 reading? It represents a restaurant with an enclosed (separate) smoking area. And the 20 is actually 20 nanograms, a nanogram is 10 (-9).

So......let me put a number to that nanogram for you: 0.000000020 of a gram/cubic meter was the secondhand smoke concentration for the restaurant with the enclosed smoking area. Which is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for the secondhand smoke measured airborne component. Thus the American Cancer Society destroys the Surgeon General's and RWJF (Nicoderm) funded James Repace argument that seperation and ventilation don't work.

The Surgeon General can stomp his feet, and scream at the top of his lungs...like a little Napoleon "....because I said so....." all he wants. But it doesn't change the facts........and the facts show he is telling a bold faced lie to the American public.
Read

[Cagey]

[SheLion]

Has smoking ever been put on a death certificate as the cause of death?

Never!  We have been trying like crazy for someone to produce a death certificate stating that smoking was the cause of death.  Or even second hand smoke.  But to no avail. 

When the Federal Coroner signs a death certificate, he can not, under his oath, sign this document that smoking and shs was the cause of death, because to this day, there is no proof.

Sure, smoking might have contributed to a person's death, but there are many other factors involved.  Was the person obese?  An alcoholic?  Was he a couch potato?  Was he predestined to having cancer because of generics?  A lot comes into play and one cannot just blame the death on smoking.

Guaranteed, it might have been a contributing factor, but smoking can not be the sole blame for a person's death.

Smokers far outlive an obese person.  Smoking isn't good but neither is being obese.

But smoking is legal and over eating is legal.  Each person has to be responsible for themselves.  But smokers and the obese are not criminals!

[Raycpa]

It is a four year term: 2002 +4 ='s 2006

Senate Confirms Carmona as Surgeon General

NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, July 24, 2002

WASHINGTON – By a vote of 98-0, the full Senate Tuesday confirmed Richard H. Carmona as U.S. surgeon general.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/23/144124.shtml

[wolfcreek]

Most SGs want to leave a legacy of scaremongering. Otherwise, the nanny state would be no more.

[SheLion]

RESEARCHERS BLAST CALIFORNIA EPA REPORT: SECONDHAND SMOKE FINDINGS BIASED, FLAWED

01/30/2006-The American Cancer Society stated unequivocally, in a written comment,  that it did not agree with Cal-EPA's conclusion that secondhand smoke was a cause of breast cancer, and that published evidence did not support the requisite criteria for causation.

[SheLion]

The World Health Organization actually did a study on secondhand smoke which showed that it doesn't even make people sick, much less kill them. Now, it makes people uncomfortable. They don't like it. I don't like secondhand cigarette smoke myself -- it reeks -- but it doesn't kill. It doesn't. 

Claims of secondhand smoke risks don't pass science test

Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/4/06

Articles, editorials, op-eds and published letters in the pages of many of New Jersey's newspapers have been heavily lopsided in support of the effort to ban smoking in bars and restaurants. Each article or commentary seemingly has been designed to leave the reader with the perception that the supportive evidence presented is undeniable or that no contrary findings or opinion even exist.

Any claim that exposure to exhaled or sidestream smoke poses a threat to life is "indisputable" is false. There are studies and scientists who dispute it strongly. When New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg claimed his ban would save 1,000 workers' lives, the president of the American Council on Science and Health, who vehemently opposes smoking, wrote, "There is no evidence that any New Yorker — patron or employee — has ever died as a result of exposure to smoke in a bar or restaurant." Dr. Richard Doll, the scientist who first linked active smoking to lung cancer, said in a 2001 radio interview, "The effects of other people smoking in my presence is so small it doesn't worry me."

These statements, among many others, are based on the results of studies that found no long-term health risks, and even on studies that claim to find risks, because the science is so weak.

Since smoking bans are premised on protecting nonsmokers, this nonsense to ban smoking should stop right here. It is not a public health issue. However, the anti-smoking crusaders cloud the issue by also dragging in misapplied majority opinion. It's constitutionally unethical for the majority to tyrannize the minority.

But more importantly, polling the public to determine a private establishment owner's fate is indecent. No customer or employee — each free to be there or not — should be able to dictate the house's rules. And for the "my way or the highway" anti-smokers who don't get it, we mean smokers shouldn't either. Only one person's vote counts — the owner's.

The case that workers shouldn't have to leave an environment they don't like or hours that fit their personal needs is nothing more than emotional blackmail. Slavery ended a long time ago. No one is forced to do anything they don't like.

For the lawmakers who believe economics is the determining factor, New York City's sales tax revenue for bars and restaurants did not rise 8.7 percent, as claimed by agencies Bloomberg dispatched on the one-year anniversary (March 2004) of the city's ban. Not only were the figures distorted by including places like McDonald's and Starbucks as restaurants, but smoking was banned in 95 percent of restaurants since the 1995 smoking ban law. What pre- to post-ban restaurant tax revenue comparison was there to make? In all cases (notably bars), it's a no-brainer that sales tax revenue was artificially low immediately following 9/11. To compare the post-ban year to those figures is dishonest.

In April, the New York State Department of Taxation released a much more official review of sales tax revenue. When one compares the pre-ban year to the post-ban year, bars in New York City lost more than 3.5 percent. Statewide, as confirmed by a report in the New York Post May 2, sales tax revenue "dropped or remained relatively flat since the smoking ban went into effect July 2003."

Junk science, tyranny and cooked books is pitting neighbor against neighbor and has ruined or will ruin individual livelihoods. Unbelievable. Don't do it, New Jersey.

A note of disclosure: Our organization has no ties to the tobacco industry nor do we speak on the behalf of the hospitality industry.

Audrey Silk

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