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The Twin Myths of Eurabia
The Brussels Journal ^ | 07/23/2006

Posted on 07/24/2006 2:50:28 AM PDT by Republicain

Bat Ye’or is the most informed contemporary scholar of the unique Islamic institution of dhimmitude, the repressive and humiliating apartheid system imposed upon those non-Muslims (i.e., dhimmis) subjugated by Jihad. Sir Jadunath Sarkar, the pre-eminent historian of Mughal India, wrote the following in 1920 regarding the impact of centuries of Jihad and dhimmitude on the indigenous Hindus of the Indian subcontinent:

“The conversion of the entire population to Islam and the extinction of every form of dissent is the ideal of the Muslim State. If any infidel is suffered to exist in the community, it is as a necessary evil, and for a transitional period only. Political and social disabilities must be imposed on him, and bribes offered to him from the public funds, to hasten the day of his spiritual enlightenment and the addition of his name to the roll of true believers.” “A non-Muslim therefore cannot be a citizen of the State; he is a member of a depressed class; his status is a modified form of slavery. He lives under a contract (zimma, or ‘dhimma’) with the State: for the life and property grudgingly spared to him by the commander of the faithful he must undergo political and social disabilities, and pay a commutation money. In short, his continued existence in the State after the conquest of his country by the Muslims is conditional upon his person and property made subservient to the cause of Islam.”

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: anadalousia; batyeor; dhimmi; dhimmitude; eu; eurabia; europe; gwot; islam; jihad; muslim; muslims; wot; yeor
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1 posted on 07/24/2006 2:50:29 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain
Perhaps if we start reclaiming our past, we will discover that we have also gained a future, as an added bonus

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it. A simple synopsis of the past history in-relation to islam. I tend to agree with his conclusions as we have a tendency to rewrite our histories, heritages, and then we forget. Even now you a whole generation wanting to believe the Holocaust didn't happen and those few old Jews who still live with numbers tattooed on their wrists grow too old to tell their story. As we watch Eurabia fall from its enlightenment they have doomed their children to repeat it.

2 posted on 07/24/2006 3:05:35 AM PDT by EBH (Islam: A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.)
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To: EBH

As we watch Eurabia fall from its enlightenment they have doomed their children to repeat it


Should read: As we watch Europe fall from its enlightment we have doomed our children to repeat a dark history,


3 posted on 07/24/2006 3:08:07 AM PDT by EBH (Islam: A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.)
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To: Republicain

There is no middle ground with Muslims, just burial grounds.


4 posted on 07/24/2006 3:20:00 AM PDT by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: leadhead
The roots of Western civilization are primarily Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman. If you want to create a new entity, Eurabia, encompassing Europe, Turkey and the Arab world, you need first to establish that this cultural entity isn’t “new” at all, but has always existed. The way to do this is to establish that Islam is a natural and integral part of Western civilization. You need to imprint in the minds of the people that yes, Muslims and Christians can indeed live peacefully together, as we did in the glorious days of Andalusia. Not only can we live with Muslims, we actually owe Muslims gratitude for helping us create the scientific achievements of the modern West. Thus we have the twin foundational myths of Eurabia.

To paraphrase Roland in the Dark Tower book series, "We have forgotton our fathers' faces."

5 posted on 07/24/2006 3:26:30 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: gotribe
Turkey is European culturally. its direct predecessor, the Ottoman Empire, was readily acknowledged as European.
6 posted on 07/24/2006 3:41:34 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: EBH
This article was a really good read, nicely condensing Europe's history with Islam. I've thought for a while that Europe's policies with regard to immigration (i.e. Muslim immigration) is practically like throwing the gate open for the Trojan Horse.

I hope for Western Civilization's sake, we start seeing more people pushing the alarm button, like Oriana Fallaci and Pope Benedict, and of course the author of this article.
7 posted on 07/24/2006 3:51:51 AM PDT by Crolis ("Good fences make good neighbors.", Robert Frost)
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To: Republicain

This should be required reading for EVERY liberal, leftist, globalist and multiculturalist. Muslims have overrun Europe, with the willing aid of the EU which has tried to erase the borders of the European nations, a necessary step to aid the Muslims moving in and reclaiming Europe. How many times will westerners have to battle the hatred, slavery, oppression and murder of the Islamists before er understand that these people are dangerous murdering cultists??


8 posted on 07/24/2006 3:54:51 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Turkey is European culturally

Only a non-european can write such a nonsense !

9 posted on 07/24/2006 4:01:46 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Turkey is European culturally.

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Bullshit.

10 posted on 07/24/2006 4:04:01 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

As the french historian Max Gallo said : "La Turquie, ce n'est pas l'Europe. L'histoire à cet égard est sans appel." "Turkey it's not Europe. On that account, history is non-appealable".


11 posted on 07/24/2006 4:20:19 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain
To say that “Muslims” or “Islamic culture” created the civilizations of the Middle East can be compared to an illiterate person storming into the planet’s largest library, killing all the librarians and then claiming to have written all the books there.

Excellent article! Much of this nonsense about the glorious days of Muslim Spain came from the Spanish historian America Castro, who was a "progre" ("progressive," i.e. leftist) who, for various reasons, wanted to attack Spain's conception of its past. Needless to say, his views were eagerly accepted by other progres in the academic world, both in Spain and the US and other countries.

The result was a bizarre view that gave Islam credit for Spanish culture. This ignores the fact that prior to the Islamic invasion, Spain was a seat of learning; recall, for example, the great bishop St. Isidore of Sevilla's compendium of all human knowledge, the Etymologiae, written in Latin in Sevilla about 100 years before the Islamic invasion (in fact, before the birth of Islam). It drew on Aristotle and other classical sources and was a wildly popular book that was still in use in the 15th century.

Spain had been Rome's crowning jewel of a colony, and many poets, scholars and emperors came from Spain. With the fall of Rome and the Visigothic invasions, all of the Roman empire suffered. Spain was conquered by the Visigoths, who were not a very learned people and were also not Catholic but Arian (a heresy that was supposedly one of the things that Mohammed drew upon for his own "religion"). Even so, the Spanish bishops eventually succeeded in converting the Visigothic kings to orthodox Christianity, and Spain began to become more influential in the new post-Roman world. It was the seat of many Church councils and educational undertakings.

All of this stopped when the Muslims invaded. Some of them later, although regarded as heretical by other more orthodox Muslims, took an interest in the learning that had been assembled by Spanish Christians and Jews prior to the invasion. Interestingly enough, and not mentioned in the article, is that every time particular Muslim rulers or groups became more "moderate," they were then overrun by more "orthodox" Muslims from the ME. Sound familiar?

The Muslims got into Spain at the invitation of one of the warring Visigothic kings, who thought they would help him defeat his rival. Zapatero is doing the same thing. He is using Islam to attempt to defeat his rival, which is essentially all non-leftist Spain. The result is going to be exactly the same as it was in the 8th century. Conquest.

12 posted on 07/24/2006 4:22:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: gotribe
If you want to create a new entity, Eurabia, encompassing Europe, Turkey and the Arab world, you need first to establish that this cultural entity isn’t “new” at all, but has always existed.

And if you want to also do the same in America one phrase comes to mind. Something about "my cold dead hands...".

13 posted on 07/24/2006 4:25:15 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Republicain

Mr. Giscard d'Estaing also had similar opinions. However, Turkey is extremely similar to Western Europe, in some ways far more than the former Soviet bloc countries of the EU 10.


14 posted on 07/24/2006 4:25:32 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Republicain
You Europeans (particularly the French, Germans, and the Austrians) do seem to be rather emphatic on Turkey not being part of Europe as a fact (the British tend to be more proTurkey, though this could be part of their derailing EU political union agenda).

However, Europe's history does make Turkey seem very much part of your continent.

15 posted on 07/24/2006 4:28:28 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: gotribe
The Judeo-Christian base of thought and civilization in Europe was unalterably changed in the Thirty Years War.

At the end they agreed to the existence of independent nation states where the "ruler" would select the religion, if any, as well as the hymns in the church prayer books.

Fortunately America had just been discovered, the Indians were dieing off rapidly (from disease, not Spaniards and guns), and people who didn't care for the new system could go off into the forests and wilderness in a New World and force each other into profound conformity.

Ironically, it fell upon America (and UK) to "save the Jews" from the Europeans.

And someone says that if you know enough stuff about something you can predict the future.

16 posted on 07/24/2006 4:31:51 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: Republicain
BTW, in the United States, sort of opposite to your (Europe and Turkey) situation, some people cut out Mexico and Central America from North America because those countries a not as culturally as similar as the United States and Canada, when those countries are definitely part of geographic North America.

P.S. in France, are the Americas split up into North and South America, or a both continents considered one? it would be absurd for that to be the case and Europe and Asia to be two separate continents. North and South America are as separated as Eurasia and Africa.

17 posted on 07/24/2006 4:32:56 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: wtc911

Why?


18 posted on 07/24/2006 4:33:37 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: livius

http://muhammadanism.org/Canon_Sell/default.htm

Edward Sell's Books - pdf downloads.

In Spain a strict prohibition was issued against the study of Greek philosophy, and many valuable works were committed to the flames. Soon after the rule of the Moors Spain began to decline. The study of philosophy came to an end, and liberal culture sank under the pressure of the hard and fast dogmatic system of Islam." — p. 287-8. The Faith of Islam


19 posted on 07/24/2006 4:34:16 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Republicain

Outstanding article! Thanks for posting.


20 posted on 07/24/2006 4:42:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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