Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.
"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.
The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.
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The people who go through it obviously think it is. Personally, I would not know, since I wasn't interested in having children even by the old-fashioned method. The drive some people have to go through all of this to give birth is foreign to me. But as I said, I have not heard of a politician suicidal enough to suggest banning IVF.
I have a few hypothetical questions which should help shed light on where you stand regarding using fertilized eggs as medical therapies. I
f you had a child who was dying from a disease which could be cured where would you draw the line? If you could donate an organ to help save the child even though it might very well kill you would you do it (most would say yes)? If you could donate some skin cells which could be used to create a new organ would you (most would obviously say yes)? If you had to donate an egg cell from your ovaries to save the child's life would you? If you had to donate an egg that would require fertilization to save the child would you?
I realize these are hypotheticals and they are more cut and dry than real life. The only real tough call is the last question. If you knew for sure that a fertilized egg would save the life of your current child most parents would have a hard time saying no even knowing they would be ending a potential life to do so.
Oh, I have no problem with saying where I stand. I think this is worth testing just as other cell therapies are. I agree that any parent who thought they could help a living child would take a chance.
When my mother was dying, if embryonic cells could have helped her, I would have been happy to sprinkle them on her breakfast cereal by the handful!
Aw, Looney Fringe is going to volunteer to save folks lives by donating his heart, liver, pancreas, kidneys and voluminous spleen as transplant fodder while he's still alive. I'm sure he practices what he preaches and is not willing to let some petty emotion like fear of death keep him fro doing what's best for others, medically.
In a sense, one might say that his stem cells have ripened into some mighty useful tissue and are ready for harvesting.
I wonder if he'd disagree, and why?
Let's try again.
Are you pro life? If so, then I mischaracterized your position on that issue and for that I apologise. If not then you are pro choice and that comment stands.
Second, do you agree that the federal government should be taxing citizens to fund embryonic stem cell research that kills embryo's? If not, once again I misread you and I apologise. If so, then that comment stands as well.
No, it is not the same. Something occurring on accident and something occurring on purpose are not at all comparable. Not even close, and it is ridiculous for you to continue saying that it is.
Well, by that reasoning then I guess your organs should be harvested and used for scientific research. Many lives could be saved by doing so - and you are only one life, and isn't fair that by you staying alive a number of other people who could be saved by each of your individual organs...and since you are nothing but organized water, what difference would it make?
Do you see how ridiculous that is?
Adult stem cells: hundreds of successful therapies
Embryonic stem cells: zero therapies, despite mega funding
Bears repeating. Plus the reminder that there is no ban on embryonic stem cell research, just a ban on MY TAX DOLLARS supporting BAD R&D.
Given the track record, why do you think it is that politicians are emphasizing EMBRYONIC stem-cell research? From a purely scientific standpoint, I'm baffled by that. What could the underlying agenda be?
Yes - his stem cells have incubated and come full term, creating useful organs for others.
After 6 weeks my daughters heart was beating...Was she not human?
I do.
I know that you've been suspended, and I know that you would rather curse me than discuss the issue with me, but your anger and protest cannot stop my prayers, nor can they prevent a very real, very loving God from hearing them.
He doesn't depend on either your belief, nor your approval to love you. And in obedience to Him, I love you too.
It is my prayer that I have no other gods before the One True God.........the Creator and Sustainer of Life, and the Author of all truth.
Commanders go into battles knowing there will be a certain percentage of collateral deaths of civilians, especially on mass bombing runs...it's not accidental.
The heart of the matter is that, if we do not know with scientific certainty that these tiny lives are not fully human, we MUST err on the side of life.
If we assume, as poor, deluded Lunatic has done in his effort to deny morality, that these are just 'blobs'.........and if we are wrong, we are guilty of even more millions of murders than occur in the abortion mills.
We cannot take that risk if we believe, even apart from any religious values, as the Founding Fathers did, that life is the right of all. We cannot destroy lives for political gamesmanship, and leftist ideology.
I respect your opinion. I simply do not get the impression that you have any respect whatsoever for the beliefs of nearly three-quarters of the souls currently on the planet that are not Christians. Do you feel they are all doomed to eternal damnation?
We ARE talking faith here. Totally unprovable, nonscientific and highly personal. What you hold dear is total crap to somebody else. Those who don't agree with you are not necessarily liberal. I don't consider you the final arbiter of secular or religious conservative values, just as you don't look to me.
Am I right in my beliefs? I certainly hope so.
Could I be wrong? Possibly.
Could you be wrong? Are you secure enough to admit the possibility?
We are in a post-modern culture that begs for tolerance for all points of view and eschews belief in absolute truth. But is that right? Is there no truth that transcends human thought? (Is there no gravity unless we believe in it?) Should we be the victims of cultural groupthink? I'm OK, You're OK groupthink?
I cannot convince you, nor will I try to convince you that my Christian worldview, as determined by study of God's word, is right. The only thing I can do is point you to Scripture and ask that you study it yourself with an open mind, and see how God leads you.
You continue to mistake my confidence in God Himself with confidence in myself and my opinions.........and that is problematic, but common in a tolerate-all-views-as-equal society.
Incidentally, my continued reference to leftist philosophy and thought is the result of my understanding of what has gone on in academia in the past decades. Academia........which includes the fields of science, history, philosophy and political science.......is controlled by the far left. Academic institutions are not places where one can formulate opinions objectively, but rather places where one is brainwashed by the leftist control of those institutions........and that includes the now valueless, Godless field of scientific study.
And one of the main goals of the left is to remove God from every aspect of our culture, and to worship the god of tolerance, and the supremacy of man.
It is obvious from this discussion, that they have had some success, even among otherwise conservative individuals.
"The money is not to create the stem cells, but to study them."
Actually, the money is to destroy the embroy in order to extract the stem cells.
"The productive research is ongoing, and it doesn't require a death sentence for an innocent child."
I wish I could remember the type of adult stem cells my dad told me about a couple of weeks ago. They are one of the newer types and already the research is proving that they likely, will do, what the theory of embroynic stem cells was supposed to be able to do.
We both know that embryonic stem cells have a nice sounding theory, but have no proof to back it up. Now scientists are finding that some types of adult stem cells are the real thing. With this research, there is never a reason to use embryonic stem cells.
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