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Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill (stem cell)
Denver Post ^ | 10 july 2006 | John Farrell

Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.

The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.

(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; hr810; repubwaronscience; sciencehaters; stemcell; veto; vetoit
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To: jwalsh07
You favor killing the innocent who can't defend themselves while favoring the coddling of lunatic commies like Kim Jong Ill

Actually, I support action against North Korea, but at least I'm not a hypocrite about the "sanctity of life".

And I don't favor "killing the innocent" because there is NOTHING to kill! See how you religious creeps distort the argument? It's only "killing the innocent" because you ignorantly claim that a few cells of proteins and DNA is "innocent life". It's not life.

181 posted on 07/10/2006 8:32:17 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Yeah, I know what you submitted which is why I said your ignorant. Comparing your cheek cells to an embryo is just evidence of ignorance. I leave that as an exercise for you to figure out why.

Though I don't hold out much hope on that score because if it isn't evident to you that your cheek cells are never going to become anything but cheek cells until the SLTD takes over, things are just not looking up on that score.

182 posted on 07/10/2006 8:32:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I never mentioned religion Mr Lunatic. You been drinking?


183 posted on 07/10/2006 8:34:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ohioWfan
Enough arguing with a leftist for me. This is a conservative forum, and you ain't one.

Because I don't believe in your silly God?

I love how you religious-right people label those of us who don't believe in your myths as 'leftists'.

184 posted on 07/10/2006 8:35:28 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Notwithstanding
"Good for him."

Indeed...one of the things W is doing right.
185 posted on 07/10/2006 8:35:40 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Actually, I support action against North Korea, but at least I'm not a hypocrite about the "sanctity of life".

What action would that be?

I take it then that you disagree with the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence which both sanctify life by declaring it is an unalienable right.

186 posted on 07/10/2006 8:37:21 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lunatic Fringe
In this area you are as far left as it gets Lunatic.

You have absorbed your leftist professors' theology well.

Congratulations on your deep faith.

187 posted on 07/10/2006 8:38:17 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: jwalsh07
I take it then that you disagree with the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence which both sanctify life by declaring it is an unalienable right.

No, I do not disagree with it. Where you and I disagree is what is human life. I do not believe an embryo, which is simply 2-8 cells of proteins and DNA, is a human "life". It is simply the result of a chemical reaction between a sperm and an egg, also called a zygote. A zygote BECOMES a human life after 8 weeks when it forms into a fetus.

188 posted on 07/10/2006 8:44:02 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: ohioWfan
In this area you are as far left as it gets Lunatic.

There is no "left" or "right" in this area. You make a theological argument in an area of science, and attach it to a political belief. That makes you a person that supports a theocracy, and no better than the people your son and my brother fight against.

189 posted on 07/10/2006 8:48:11 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: jwalsh07
OK

I think Roe V Wade should be overturned. It is bad law because the right to privacy is not in the constitution.

I believe abortion is a grave sin.

I think late term abortion is infanticide and should be a murder charge.

Parental consent should be a given.

I don't like 1st term abortions but unless there is some sort of incredible shift in public opinion for a long time they will stay legal and what I would like doesn't matter.

I don't care about stem cells.

And as far as taking your money you have that backwards. The social right who don't really care about other issues are taking mine.
190 posted on 07/10/2006 8:49:38 PM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: All

Lunatic doesn't believe in God. His God is his science. So be it. He'll never be convinced otherwise so just let him be. I completely disagree with him but that's ok.

When my son was born, i flashed back to a conversation with my now wife where we discussed a potential abortion. I was appalled at myself that I had even considered snuffing out his life, whether he was scientifically "viable" or not.

To each his own Lunatic.


191 posted on 07/10/2006 8:51:38 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: Lunatic Fringe
If it makes you feel good, Lunatic.

More leftist theology coming through.

Your faith is strong.

192 posted on 07/10/2006 8:52:00 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: RacerX1128; Lunatic Fringe
His leftist religion is strong, and his faith is solid.

He just has faith in man and not his Creator.

I agree, however, that there is no point in continuing this discussion. Until he becomes aware of how much his religion dominates his thinking and destroys his ability to reason, nothing will be accomplished.

193 posted on 07/10/2006 8:56:28 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan
Until he becomes aware of how much his religion dominates his thinking and destroys his ability to reason, nothing will be accomplished.

Apparently the only "reason" in your argument is hyperbole and fairy tales. Care to defend your position that a few strands of protein is "human life" that must be defended at the cost of the lives of actual living human beings?

194 posted on 07/10/2006 9:05:02 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: jwalsh07
Here is a news story headline for ya. I believe it is really old.

"Round Wheel Rolls Better Than Previously Used Tetrahedron"

I guess that was the last advance in human transportation.
195 posted on 07/10/2006 10:09:15 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Cicero

The bill/law mentioned says nothing about the destruction of embryos except those that were going to be destroyed anyway.


196 posted on 07/10/2006 10:13:40 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: eraser2005
Arguing that ESC research is futile and using lack of private funding I think is the worst argument, considering that private funding hardly will ever be provided for something without short-to-medium range return.

I think we agree to a certain degree. I don't know if I'd use the word "worst" in an absolute sense though, but perhaps in the context of the three or four arguments presented in your post.

Here's what I mean: venture capitalists invest millions of dollars for long-term big payoff projects, and certainly not every breakthrough in technology has come through massive infusions of taxpayers dollars. Why should ESC be any different than the non-taxpayer funded research?

I think we both agree ESC research is a slippery slope, as it destroys a human life--and a human life should not be a commodity.

197 posted on 07/11/2006 2:02:03 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: Cicero

"I think it is worth raising the point that adult stem cells have been proven to have medical uses, and fetal stem cells have not, even though the latter have been more heavily funded and every left-winger in academia is eager to push it."

I agree with everything you said but this - over the years, embryonic stem cells have received only a fraction of the overall funding that adult stem cells have... but that is largely because it is a new field...


198 posted on 07/11/2006 4:30:58 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: All

How many votes are needed to override a Presidential veto and is it likely to be overidden(I hope not)?


199 posted on 07/11/2006 4:37:08 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: ohioWfan
"The 'call for research' should never involve the ending of life."

Sure it does... if you're a student of Josef Mengele... disgusting.

200 posted on 07/11/2006 4:43:43 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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