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Report's all smoke and mirrors
New York Daily News ^ | July 5, 2006 | Sidney Zion

Posted on 07/06/2006 4:08:08 AM PDT by SheLion

If President Bush announced that secondhand smoke kills more Americans than the Iraqi insurgency, AIDS, drunken drivers and Katrina put together, would we nod in agreement — or look to Bellevue, if not to impeachment?

Comes now Richard Carmona, the surgeon general of the United States, telling us that secondhand smoke kills 49,000 Americans a year — and there's no outcry, no notion that maybe this is nuts. Instead, the mass media buys it without question, and so apparently do the people.

Does anybody out there know anything about Carmona, or even that he's the surgeon general? In 2003, he appeared before the Congress and came out for prohibition of tobacco. Which doesn't exactly make him a neutral scientific observer of the danger of secondhand smoke.

In fact, his 700-page report is full of junk science, delivered across 20 years by a band of willful anti-smoke zealots who understood that in order to get people to quit the habit, they had to promote the idea that smokers were destroying innocent bystanders, including their own children.

What the surgeon general never tells us is that the whole deal is entirely statistical — there are no autopsies, no direct evidence whatsoever. It is all computer generated: The computer is asked, if secondhand smoke kills, how many people will it kill?

For active smoking, there is plenty of direct evidence. More smokers die than nonsmokers. What the anti-smoke zealots have brilliantly done is to conflate the two: Smoking kills, therefore secondhand smoking kills.

The evidence is decidedly the other way. Every major study tells us this, including those done by the World Health Organization, the Congressional Research Service, the U.S. Department of Energy and a massive 35-year study financed for years by the American Cancer Society.

Against all this, the surgeon general, who never conducted his own study, says that "the debate is over," there is no longer any question about secondhand smoke. Dr. Robert Madden, former president of the New York Cancer Society, and a chest and vascular surgeon, told me it's "baloney," nothing but "junk science."

Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, president of the American Council on Science and Health, is also a longtime opponent of smoking. But to her, the idea that a 30-second exposure to secondhand smoke can kill — as says the surgeon general — is "outrageous." "It violated the basic tenet of toxicology: 'Only the dose makes the poison.'"

But who cares for dosage, when the ends justify the means, and political correctness rules the world.


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To: pageonetoo
(I was going to post a pic of hispanic/mexicans in emergency rooms, but amazingly, my Google search revealed NONE!)

Of course not.  It's such a hot topic, even GOOGLE wants to keep it swept under the rug.

21 posted on 07/06/2006 5:03:33 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Well, I ain't buyin' it. For the record, I'm not a smoker, don't particularly care for the smell of it (especially stale ashtrays, ugghhh), but I'm calling series BS on all this chickenlittle nonsense.

From what I understand, the Surgeon General isn't even a DOCTOR!  It's just a title the White House gives these guys.

22 posted on 07/06/2006 5:05:15 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

And there's morons out there actually passing LAWS because of the BS the SG is spouting.

Yeah, and those laws are really going over well here in Colorado. People are PISSED.


23 posted on 07/06/2006 5:06:36 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: cydcharisse

1 death every 12 minutes= 5 deaths an hour= 120 deaths a day= 43800 deaths from breast cancer a year.

This is NOT an absurd claim. At least 40,000 women a year die from breast cancer

And yet, we are having a Population Explosion! hehe  See what I mean????


24 posted on 07/06/2006 5:06:51 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SR 50

The second-hand smoking stuff is garbage, and unproven. That over 40,000 US women die from breast cancer every year is a hard fact, and it works out to about 1 every 12 minutes, on average.

Hate to confuse you with the facts.


25 posted on 07/06/2006 5:09:08 AM PDT by cydcharisse
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To: sgtbono2002
I guess there isnt much of an outcry because the Surgeon Generals office is considered a joke anyway by most people.

Remember back in the day when Koop was the SG and his pal David Kessler?  They were brought to trial but refuse to tell the truth about smoking.  They pleaded the 5th and therefore, didn't have to testify.  What a couple of liars THOSE two were.

Koop went on to declare bankruptcy.  Not sure what happened to old David.

26 posted on 07/06/2006 5:09:30 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

I agree that this report is nonsense. (I'm a 50 year smoker and don't have even a cough) It's my one and only vice and I will not give it up!


27 posted on 07/06/2006 5:09:31 AM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: SheLion

Lord, I was ready to throw the TV out the window when this guy came on. It must have aired 15 times in one day! I kept wondering if he is the Surgeon General, why hasn't anyone heard of him? The MSM has tried to slime everyone else in the Bush administration, but they leave him alone?

Anyway, my bf is a virulent anti-smoker, and was all over this BS like white on rice. I smoke on the back porch.
Btw, bought a rolling machine and loose tobacco. I'm starting to get the hang of it, but it's messy and I can't get the tubes packed tight enough. You can tell the difference between certain brands of smokes and all natural tobacco, too.

My bf will be reading this, even if I have to duct tape him to the chair.


28 posted on 07/06/2006 5:13:10 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping.

They'll do anything to get control, won't they?

And all the fools are running down the path to socialism hand in hand.
Idiots.


29 posted on 07/06/2006 5:14:01 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: RandallFlagg
And there's morons out there actually passing LAWS because of the BS the SG is spouting.

Yeah, and those laws are really going over well here in Colorado. People are PISSED.

This report by the SG is really upsetting a LOT of people all across the United States.  I have even heard someone called him a fascist pig.  Which may be true.  Sounds about right to ME!  How about you?

30 posted on 07/06/2006 5:15:22 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: cydcharisse

You missed the one in four part of the claim.

If one in four women die every 12 minutes that would be:

112,000,000 / 4 = 28,000,000 every 12 minutes in this country...

That's an absurd claim...


31 posted on 07/06/2006 5:18:05 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: All
The big cheese in the White House.  The biggest smoker hater ever!  I wouldn't take his words to heart, if I have my say about him!
32 posted on 07/06/2006 5:18:43 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: dmcnash

You have to factor in new births, sex changes, etc...


33 posted on 07/06/2006 5:19:51 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: cydcharisse

But that ain't 1 out of 4 women.
Go back and read my original post.


34 posted on 07/06/2006 5:24:25 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: sgtbono2002

"Maybe we should go back to the times when beating your meat was the major issue in the Surgeon Generals office."

IMHO beating your meat is still a major issue in most government offices.


35 posted on 07/06/2006 5:26:52 AM PDT by newcthem (No "Rusty" Feindgold does not represent me.......he does offend me, however.)
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To: SheLion

Yep.
SOMEONE needs to ask him about the '98 WHO study and if it was ALSO included in his, "Report," on SHS.


36 posted on 07/06/2006 5:32:42 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: SheLion
A study found that 100% of people who ever touched cotton and/or wool died.

That's 100%!! Cotton and Wool are FATAL!!!! Darn it, where's the outrage?!?

37 posted on 07/06/2006 5:35:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: SheLion

Let's see ... where should I file this report? Oh ... I know ... I'll file it with that Clinton Surgeon General report that recommended we use safer bullets.


38 posted on 07/06/2006 5:38:41 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I do not believe the second hand smoke crap.

Neither do I, and I doubt anyone else seriously believes it. Notice that nobody has published poll results all over the place showing large majorities believing the "secondhand smoke" propaganda. Oh, the polls have been done, and if they'd showed majorities, they'd have been blastfaxed all over creation.

It's just so transparently operational lying, making stuff up and then persuading themselves that they halfway believe it, as justification for the obviously high-handed tactics they want to use next on cigarette and cigar smokers.

39 posted on 07/06/2006 5:41:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: SheLion
Whaaaaat? Koop bankrupt? Koop and Kessler on trial?

Got a link for all that? I must have slept through one heck of a movie!

40 posted on 07/06/2006 5:44:30 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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