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Colorado: Bar owners still fuming
Steamboat Pilot & Today ^ | June 25, 2006 | Dave Shively

Posted on 06/28/2006 2:40:06 AM PDT by SheLion

STEAMBOAT SPRINGS — Saturday marks the one-year anniversary of Steamboat Springs' controversial municipal smoking ban, but local businesses that once catered to the smoker's dollar have no reason to celebrate. 

Mike Miller, owner of Sun�--pie's Bistro, thinks the city's ordinance goes too far, banning smoking anywhere within the restaurant or bar's liquor license boundaries.

"It's almost impossible to enforce," Miller said about enforcing a ban that encompasses Sunpie's entire 5,000-square-foot outdoor seating area along the Yampa River. "You can be 150 feet from being indoors, and you're not allowed to smoke. You can inform customers of the law and put up signs, but you turn around, and they light up."

Slopeside Grill owner Chris Corna, whose restaurant and bar boasts ideal après-ski real estate, agreed with Miller.

"I said from the beginning that they were going a little overboard," Corna said, referring to the City Council that passed the ordinance. As president of the Steamboat Springs Restaurant Association, he spoke to the council when the ordinance was proposed. "It's not against the law to smoke. If they can't smoke inside, they should at least be able to smoke outside."

Because of the ban, Corna and Miller said they spend their mornings picking up cigarette butts along the edges of their properties. Corna thinks it would be more reasonable if his restaurant was subject only to the Colorado Clean Indoor Air Act that goes into effect Saturday.

The Clean Indoor Air Act -- essentially a statewide smoking ban -- prohibits smoking in public indoor areas and extends to a 15-foot radius around entryways, making it possible for owners such as Miller and Corna to accommodate customers who want to smoke outside rather than banishing them from their properties.

For businesses that lack exterior seatings to attract customers, the municipal ban has had a much more debilitating effect.

John Hoekstra has owned Golden Cue Billiards for 19 years. He estimated since last July's ban began, he has lost between $5,000 and $6,000 a month.

"Soon as the weather hit and it got cold in October -- bam -- there it went," Hoekstra said. "It used to be packed in here for Broncos games -- 15 to 20 people. Now I have only one or two people."

Steamboat Springs Police Department community service supervisor Tom Whiddon said most business owners have complied with the ban. Whiddon said the city has issued only a few warnings to businesses that violated the smoking ban.

"We respond if we get a complaint," Whiddon said. "We're not out there looking for every person that might be smoking and measuring the distance from the door."

Despite the statewide ban's looser regulations, restaurant and bar owners who own establishments outside of Steamboat city limits fear taking financial blows similar to Hoekstra's.

J. Elliott, owner of Oak Creek's Colorado Bar & Grill, sees the ban as government intrusion on his relationship with his customers' individual choices.

"The bar is about 47 percent of my business," Elliott said. "If this goes into effect, I'll have to make some drastic changes."

Fearing the worst, Elliott said he had his business up for sale "back in February when (the act) passed and was voted into the state Senate."

Because the Colorado Clean Air Act does not apply to casinos, cigar bars or Denver International Airport smoking lounges, Oak Creek mayor Kathy "Cargo" Rodeman had hoped a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court would result in a temporary injunction that could save the three Oak Creek businesses that allow smoking. But on Friday, U.S. District Judge Lewis Babcock refused to delay the ban from taking effect. His ruling did not affect the lawsuit itself, which can still proceed after the ban begins.

"If it's employees they're trying to protect, why are they making the ones with the most employees exempt?" Rodeman asked. "There's more employees in one casino than every business in Oak Creek -- times 10."

Teresa Wright, Northwest Colorado Visiting Nurse Association's tobacco prevention program coordinator, is quick to cite evidence she said contradicts Rodeman's and Elliott's fears that the act will destroy Oak Creek businesses.

"All the research we have from other states is that it always results in a positive impact on the economy," Wright said about legislation aimed at increasing public health. "Costs decrease for businesses because they no longer have to pay for added insurance coverage, increased ventilation and extra effort to clean their establishment."

Rather than dreading the July 1 enactment, Wright urges smokers to seize the day as a quit date and suggests calling (800) 639-QUIT, a toll-free quit line that provides Colorado residents with free counseling and nicotine patches.


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To: SheLion

But, but, but, they say it doesn't hurt business!
They say it improves it!(sarc)

Stinking lying antis.


21 posted on 06/28/2006 6:14:27 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Raycpa
Ordinarily when failure comes as fast and furious as it has for smokers, reasonable and determined people assess their situation and make a course correction.

I have.  I roll my own and no longer take my money to a restaurant/bar/tavern that can not accomodate smokers.

Smokers for some reason are not capable of making corrections to failed strategies. Possibly it has something to do with the type of personality that cannot shake their addiction.

Your sure are a trip!  LOL

You just HAD to put that jab in there, didn't you?  What a putz you are Ray.  And you wonder why people can't stand you in here.

I'm sure YOU are addicted to something.  Running? Pepsi? Working out at the gym?

Oh!  I know ONE addiction you have!  BASHING AND TRASHING PEOPLE WHO SMOKE.  Just can't shake your addiction, can you Ray!

22 posted on 06/28/2006 6:37:51 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Raycpa
hmmmmmm so good!!!!!


23 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:02 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 06/28/2006 8:33:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SheLion
Teresa Wright, Northwest Colorado Visiting Nurse Association's tobacco prevention program coordinator, is quick to cite evidence she said contradicts Rodeman's and Elliott's fears that the act will destroy Oak Creek businesses.

Teresa's terrified she may have to get a real job.

And precisely what are the methods of the Hitlerian tobacco prevention geeks at the Visiting Nurse Association?

Hectoring you in your own home about smoking?

I've had it up to here with the jihad - too many stupid and annoying people feel themselves validated.

What amazes me is how many of them show up on these threads to bray.

25 posted on 06/28/2006 8:34:52 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion

But it's probably ok to burn an American flag in one of those bars. Freedom of speech don't you know....


26 posted on 06/28/2006 8:39:57 AM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: alarm rider
But it's probably ok to burn an American flag in one of those bars. Freedom of speech don't you know....

Bingo...........let's paint American Flags on all cigarettes.........

27 posted on 06/28/2006 8:59:55 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

You might have just hit on something there...


28 posted on 06/28/2006 9:06:57 AM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: alarm rider

Hey, I'm not smoking a cigarette, I'm burning the flag.......free speech, dontcha know!!!!!!


29 posted on 06/28/2006 9:30:17 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: SheLion
I'm going to multiple bars and resturants Thursday and Friday with little cards with the names of all of the elected bastards who voted for this crap.

And on the other side of these cards, I'll have this printed nice and bold:
They
Kicked you out
of the bar
______________________
Kick them out
Of their jobs

30 posted on 06/28/2006 10:18:51 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Awesome, Randall.

That's a super idea.


31 posted on 06/28/2006 5:25:38 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: SheLion

LOL! I loved your post #23!


32 posted on 06/28/2006 5:27:42 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Madame Dufarge; SheLion

"What amazes me is how many of them show up on these threads to bray."

Ain't that the truth. You ought to see the latest smoking thread at another forum I'm on.

I just had a "conservative" call me a 'FACIST". I told him I thought it was pretty funny.

Sometimes, on these threads, I feel like I'm at the democratic national convention, listening to howard dean, the way some of these "conservatives" carry on.



33 posted on 06/28/2006 5:34:33 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr
LOL! I loved your post #23!

Ain't it goooooooooooood?  LOL


34 posted on 06/28/2006 9:47:40 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

She must have just taken up the habit. I don't see the stained fingers and teeth.


35 posted on 06/28/2006 10:02:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Zon
People that support government forced smoking bans violate the rights of people that chose to allow smokers on their property.

If that's the case, where's the lawsuit? It should be a slam dunk case if what you say is true.

36 posted on 06/28/2006 10:09:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
She must have just taken up the habit. I don't see the stained fingers and teeth.

Well sweetie!  "I" have been smoking since I was 16 and "I" don't have stained fingers and teeth!

Aren't you cute?  Ever hear of personal hygiene? FELLOW FREEPER!

(It's the bewitching hour.  Drink much?)

37 posted on 06/28/2006 10:29:46 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

"Because the Colorado Clean Air Act does not apply to casinos, cigar bars or Denver International Airport smoking lounges..."

All the bars should rename themselves as "_____________ Cigar Bar."


38 posted on 06/28/2006 10:34:19 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: SheLion

I've also noticed that some long time smokers have upper lips that are permanently curled down a bit, as if clenching one of the cowboy killers.


39 posted on 06/28/2006 11:02:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

I've also noticed that some long time smokers have upper lips that are permanently curled down a bit, as if clenching one of the cowboy killers.


40 posted on 06/28/2006 11:30:51 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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