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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: phantomworker

Fish puns. To pass the time when the Docs were all tide up.


621 posted on 02/28/2006 5:47:57 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: RogueIsland
Because a bunch of loons aren't constantly telling them how gravity is contrary to the teachings of God . . .

Why is that? I mean, both the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are equally valid from a scientific point of view. Why does one spawn more "loons" than the other?

622 posted on 02/28/2006 5:48:23 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138
Someone to shovel all the stuff.

All you really need to know is that creationist geologists looked in zealous earnest for the residue of a world-wide flood for most of the 18th century and into the 19th. The last one of any prominence punted in 1831.

623 posted on 02/28/2006 5:48:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
It does seem odd that evolution, as opposed to other notions, has lately been singled out for special treatment by legislatures. Why is that?

Because no other scientific theory has stirred up such a public controversy.

Why isn't the general public clamoring against teaching the theory of gravity as "just a theory?"

Because it doesn't obviously contradict a literal reading of biblical text, IMO.

624 posted on 02/28/2006 5:49:32 PM PST by Ken H
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To: zeeba neighba

I was a pom pom girl in high school! Can I help?


625 posted on 02/28/2006 5:49:59 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: phantomworker

send a pic


626 posted on 02/28/2006 5:50:38 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: P-Marlowe
BTW, if Elvis were alive, he'd be dead by now.

Not necessarily, though he would be 71 -- a creakin' hunk of smoldering love...

627 posted on 02/28/2006 5:51:48 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: js1138

Well, it is a large task, to be sure. The deepest hole ever drilled into the earth revealed much more water than was expected. I don't think science wil ever know exactly how much water exists on this planet. It is especially difficult because it takes different forms, including the part that makes up c. 60% of every human body.


628 posted on 02/28/2006 5:52:10 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: zeeba neighba
Well there is a cheerleader who castigates me regularly. I'm sure she'll be along soon

Two four six eight
Who do evos castigate?
Zeeba. Zeeba.
Yeeeeeaaaaaa Zeeba.

629 posted on 02/28/2006 5:52:29 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
So, about that Utah ruling... Anyway

All those people would have been dead by now anyway, wouldn't they? So who are you to judge God?

Fascinating. As long as they're dead, who cares how they died? You are evil. The Khmer Rouge just called, they want their justification back.

Is God not free to do with his creation as he pleases? Or must he run everything by you first?

And to think, he was so pleased with his experiment back in Genesis only to destroy it all later in the flood. Fickle Guy, this God. FWIW, I'd love for him to run things by me first. Honestly that would be aweome. I'm a much better guy than Jim Jones and David Koresh.

BTW do you Fear the Lord?

Loving and worshipping a deity you fear strikes me as a bit odd. I don't fear my wife or son and I love them both dearly. For a deity to be so petty and trite as to instill fear in his believers is enough for me to wash my hands of the whole fairy tale.
630 posted on 02/28/2006 5:52:48 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Elsie

Still just hearsay.


631 posted on 02/28/2006 5:53:05 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: From many - one.

A Mathematician, a Biologist and a Physicist are sitting in a street cafe watching people going in and coming out of the house on the other side of the street.

First they see two people going into the house. Time passes. After a while they notice three persons coming out of the house.

The Physicist says: "The initial measurement wasn't accurate."

The Biologist concludes: "They have reproduced."

The Mathematician says: "Now if another person enters the house, it'll be empty again."


632 posted on 02/28/2006 5:53:20 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: P-Marlowe

Looking good, but it somehow is just not the same


633 posted on 02/28/2006 5:53:36 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: zeeba neighba

LOLOL! Mr.Zeeba!


634 posted on 02/28/2006 5:54:12 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Elsie

Still just hearsay.


635 posted on 02/28/2006 5:54:35 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
What did you use as a starting figure for the earth's water?

I assumed the same as now. Then I calculated the volume change to float the ark to 13,000 feet about current sea level.

Did you take into account the water found several miles below the earth's surface?

The Oglala Aquifer is neither that big nor that low. But say such a body of water existed. Where is it now? What occupied the volume when the water was up here? If the answer is "nothing," why didn't the huge empty space collapse?

Do you know where all the earth's water is?

I've often been swimming in it.

Do you know with much exactitude what were the physical characteristics of the earth's surface several thousand years ago?

I know with exactitude there's no evidence it was ever all underwater.

Did you start your calculations while holding the belief that all accounts of a world-wide deluge are false?

Absolutely. Can't help being educated and capable of critical thought. Knew the claim was stupid. Just wanted to put some numbers on "stupid."

636 posted on 02/28/2006 5:56:10 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: From many - one.

Don't worry, I don't get it either. LOL!


637 posted on 02/28/2006 5:56:15 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Fester Chugabrew; RogueIsland; whattajoke

Why is that? I mean, both the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are equally valid from a scientific point of view. Why does one spawn more "loons" than the other?

Because, as whattajoke pointed out, there's no money in it. What does the Bible say about gravity anyway?

638 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:00 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: P-Marlowe
You seem to be serious about the global flood.

Well, Jesus was. Who am I to argue with the Lord?

So you are saying that there is no allegory, or parable, involved?

Are you saying that there is no mistake whatsoever?

How do reconcile the vast differences between the biblical accounts and the archaeological/geological record?

639 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:07 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: phantomworker

You're a wild one


640 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:16 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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