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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: P-Marlowe
You seem to be serious about the global flood.

How can you explain a continuous archaeological record in the western US for up to 13,400 years? Continuous=no evidence of a flood with everything washed away and replaced from Eurasia?

How about a mtDNA record that is close to as long, and shows no break/population replacement at 4,000-5,000 years ago where the flood is supposed to have occurred?

And the critters make that record look shabby. They have tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the New World with no evidence of a global flood.

601 posted on 02/28/2006 5:37:55 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: ohhhh

Not the atheist materialist secular agenda!


602 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:02 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: P-Marlowe
God, who could create the heavens and the earth and all that in them is in six days can certainly flood the Earth in 40.

And then God erased all traces of having done so?

Essentially, you're saying God altered the scene of a mass homicide, thus denying us evidence of same.

I need to warn you: I am a former cop.

When the perpetrator tampers with the scene of a homicide to prevent discovery of evidence, that is considered prima facie evidence of wrongful intent.

603 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:31 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: js1138; BeHoldAPaleHorse
Maybe the mountains were lower then. Prove they weren't.

Some people do try to claim that there were no appreciable mountains pre-flood, that most of the altitude we see today came in turmoils immediately post-flood. Of course, that has literalism problems too. That requires crazily energetic actions which would have vaporized the oceans, melted the crust, and killed everybody. All mountains should appear the same age. There are other problems.

604 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:36 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: P-Marlowe
God, who could create the heavens and the earth and all that in them is in six days can certainly flood the Earth in 40.

His love is merciful and boundless.

I am not about to call Jesus a liar. Are you?

No, newly accepted FReepSpeak dictates I am not allowed to do so, though I do think Jesus' words regarding the worldwide genocide his father directed might have been changed a bit through the multiple thousand year telephone game they played.
605 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:38 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Speaking of concrete, which one of our YEC's told us last week that a sort of calcified concrete mixture shot up from below creating all the fossils at once at the time of God's earthicide?

Did one of them really post something that stupid? Glad I missed it or I might have broken a few new FR mis-speak rules!

606 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:55 PM PST by balrog666 (Irrational beliefs inspire irrational acts.)
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To: whattajoke
a sort of calcified concrete mixture shot up from below creating all the fossils at once at the time of God's earthicide?

You mean that isn't true?!!!

607 posted on 02/28/2006 5:39:47 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: whattajoke
Speaking of concrete, which one of our YEC's told us last week that a sort of calcified concrete mixture shot up from below creating all the fossils at once at the time of God's earthicide?

You're speaking to a person whose short-term memory is ... what was the question?

608 posted on 02/28/2006 5:39:57 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: phantomworker
Fish?


609 posted on 02/28/2006 5:40:15 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Coyoteman
You seem to be serious about the global flood.

Well, Jesus was. Who am I to argue with the Lord?

610 posted on 02/28/2006 5:40:26 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: zeeba neighba
Mea culpa, I didn't link it. Send in the cheerleader, 40 pom pom whacks.

That's funny and Your tagline is really funny, too.

611 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:36 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: VadeRetro; balrog666; phantomworker

Dang... what thread was that? It's killing me now and I have to find it for those who missed it - and for our friends on this thread to defend it, of course.


612 posted on 02/28/2006 5:42:20 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: VadeRetro
I did the math on that . . .

What did you use as a starting figure for the earth's water? Did you take into account the water found several miles below the earth's surface? Do you know where all the earth's water is? Do you know with much exactitude what were the physical characteristics of the earth's surface several thousand years ago? Did you start your calculations while holding the belief that all accounts of a world-wide deluge are false?

613 posted on 02/28/2006 5:43:20 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: whattajoke; BeHoldAPaleHorse; VadeRetro
Perhaps someone who's good at math can solve this conundrum. Find the secret source of water sufficient to cover the highest mountain.

Or maybe this problem requires a plumber.

Someone to shovel all the stuff.
614 posted on 02/28/2006 5:43:37 PM PST by js1138
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why isn't the general public clamoring against teaching the theory of gravity as "just a theory?"

Because a bunch of loons aren't constantly telling them how gravity is contrary to the teachings of God and Jesus and that "real" Christians must believe that angels are responsible for the observed phenomenon that athiestsecularistmaterialistdarwinists call "gravity"?

615 posted on 02/28/2006 5:44:07 PM PST by RogueIsland (.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

616 posted on 02/28/2006 5:44:36 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: whattajoke

Well I didn't check to see if it was online since it's a commentary in the blue letter bible series. Still that being the case, I should have said which commentary.


617 posted on 02/28/2006 5:45:24 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: whattajoke; zeeba neighba
His love is merciful and boundless.

His judgments are righteous.

The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. (Psalms 19:9 KJV)

All those people would have been dead by now anyway, wouldn't they? So who are you to judge God?

Is God not free to do with his creation as he pleases? Or must he run everything by you first?

BTW do you Fear the Lord?

618 posted on 02/28/2006 5:45:30 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I knew there would be someone willing to take on this Herculean task. Here's something to occupy the fertile minds of creation scientists. Find the missing water.


619 posted on 02/28/2006 5:47:41 PM PST by js1138
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To: phantomworker

Well there is a cheerleader who castigates me regularly. I'm sure she'll be along soon


620 posted on 02/28/2006 5:47:49 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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