Mr. Cristian, summon the crew for keelhaul punishment...
Posted on 01/09/2006 9:16:40 PM PST by SmithL
Nuclear submarine duty is not romper room where Miss Trixie puts butterfly kisses on your oopsies and tucks you in at night with a snoogums good bedtime story.
I agree that a commander can cross the line. But people who choose the profession of arms had better have thick skins too.
He proved scientifically that the Lt. must have stolen the strawberries.
And threw his potted palm off the ship.
Not to mention stupid for instilling a sense of dread and second guessing an action based on your leaders reaction if wrong.
I have found there are some people who know how to lead people and there is some kind of freakish thing that happens to seemingly normal people when you put them in control of others. It is weird and scary.
Admiral Nelson must be spinning at a thousands of rpms...
oh, lordy, a woman prosecutor... in a "sensitivity" case...
you just KNOW how this trial is going to go.
he looks like a tripod?
My husband (then my fiancee) and I signed up for Tae Kwon Do classes. We expected our bodies to be pushed. We expected discipline. We expected a tough Black Belt to toss our butts to the mat and give us what for. Mind you, my husband is over 6 ft, weighing a rock solid 215, and can bench press over 200 lbs. easy. He's also held in own in some pretty dicey situations (thankfully, his wild days were behind him when we met).
Our teacher was all of these things, at first. Then one day, after class, as I was putting on my engagement ring, the teacher approached me and asked me if I wanted to go for a drink. This was surprising for several reasons, I thought my abiding love for my future husband was evident to everyone, I had never acted as anything but a student in his class, and I didn't think it was appropriate for any teacher to date a student.
I showed him my ring and he looked equally surprised that I was engaged, and to a fellow student. Very next class, he became abusive to my husband. Instead of giving a verbal correction on posture or positioning, he starting hitting him and kicking at his legs and knees. He became hypercritical of everything my husband did, even though he was doing it the same as - if not better than - most of the class. Some of the other ladies in the class even made comments to me about it in the dressing room.
After three classes of this nonsense, we quit. Simply put, unprofessional is unprofessional.
Folks in the military expect to take abuse, and I believe are prepared to swallow a fair amount of BS in the course of their career. But if this commander was crossing the line, to the point where others were questioning his ability to command professionally, it's better that he's removed from his post.
Abusing the troops under your command physically or mentally can and should get the CO relieved post haste.
Maybe so; but, the sissies didn't need to cry either. What wimps!!! I hope they didn't know any military secrets. If they had been captured by the enemy they wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes.
I don't know about the British Navy but in the U.S. Navy a Chief Petty Officers report or testimony would carry significant weight especially in a court martial proceeding. Here there is a CPO and a Commissioned Officer making the complaint. Looks solid to me. In short CPO is senior enlisted rank. Chief, Senior Chief, Master Chief E-7, E-8, & E-9 Ranking.
Sub duty has no room for loose screws popping off with unwarranted or in certain conditions even warranted outburst that includes the CO. If the C.O. had to do this daily then HE had a problem in his leadership skills. I worked for some rather blunt officers in my time but one screaming like Sgt Carter to Gomer Pyle in someones face on a routine basis stops in basic training. If the C.O. had issue with the officer it was his choice to keep him onboard or not. If the LT was such a screw up any Captain would boot him off first port of call especially on a sub. There is no room for screw ups. So again this reflects on the Captain although the Brits may have different regulations.
US Navy Subs have what is called a psychological & behavioral standard. If you don't meet the standard whether you are a Seaman Recruit or the Captain you can have your Dolphins taken away meaning no more sub duty. Subs at least in the US Navy is good duty. A good Captain can give you a dressing down, accomplish his goal, and not effect morale of the ship in a negative way.
"His face looks like it's permanently engorged with blood, by the way."
It also looks as though he has a few extra pounds on his frame. Wonder what his blood pressure is? Although he is young,he could be eventually be headed for a heart attack or a cerebral hemorrhage.
How do you know, and just because they may have broken down does not make them pussies.
There is a lot of stress in those situations and this could of added to it.
I have seen stressed men in uniform break down in non combat situations and some wore American uniform and this was in the early 80s right up to the late 90s
You can cry through frustration as well, I have now and again, and I aint a wimp.
I agree, but had he used sweet words to mislead, destroy and mock ultimately your husband in your eyes, the corrupting dumbing down results would have been the same.
Some anger puts undue guilt on people while other anger seeks to remove a yoke, as in when Christ whiped money changers out of the Temple. Ultimately, for a man, overcoming scars, legit or not, makes him more beautiful and prouder, though, but you are right, there is a point where it becomes saddistic and both it and irresponsible mazochists must be removed.
there is some kind of freakish thing that happens to seemingly normal people when you put them in control of others. It is weird and scary
Some crying may occur against one's will, but I agree with you, I do not like when some cannot take the abuse for fellow officers, which is what the military is all about. Now Christ did cry, but they were tears of blood, which were for the others.
...actualy it were sweat of agony of blood, not tears. But He did forgive the prostitute who was forgiven a lot and crying on His feet because "she loved much".
No the Military is about defending your country.
Well, don't leave us hanging. So what is the "right" way?
Mr. Cristian, summon the crew for keelhaul punishment...
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