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1 posted on 01/09/2006 8:57:23 PM PST by Philistone
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Ping!


2 posted on 01/09/2006 9:00:26 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Philistone

Are you a lawyer or a reporter?

I'm a housewife and am curious as to why you would
phrase your question that way. It smacks of a DU
board question/commentary.


4 posted on 01/09/2006 9:00:56 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Philistone

My brother is a cop. He came close to shooting someone the other night because, as he told me, "After this is all over, I am going home."

As for the troll...methinks you dost protest too much.


5 posted on 01/09/2006 9:02:49 PM PST by andie74 (Hook 'em Horns!!!!)
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To: Philistone

If you're not a DUmmie or a troll your an antagonistic putz.


6 posted on 01/09/2006 9:03:06 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Philistone
Is there a point at which you lose track (or interest) in the idea that "all people are innocent until proven guilty"?

Not me. I only swore out warrants on probable cause. Sometimes I'd find the complainants or witnesses had lied - and I'd vacate the warrants and and ask that the charges be dropped. Can't find the ones who did it if I'm wasting my time with the ones who didn't do it.

8 posted on 01/09/2006 9:04:42 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Philistone

I know a cop who makes $128,000..thats a lot more than a soldier makes


12 posted on 01/09/2006 9:09:30 PM PST by vigilante2 (proud parent of a soldier)
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To: Philistone

I was a hall monitor in the 4th grade if that helps.


16 posted on 01/09/2006 9:13:21 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Philistone
how much involves "putting bad guys in jail and preferably shooting them first"? Is there a difference?

Quite a presumptuous question, isn't it? Why, if you think as highly of police officers as you claim, would you even believe they would "prefer" just shooting someone (unless, of course, they, themselves, have a weapon pointed straight at their heads or are in the process of being mowed down by an automobile by thugs and have no other choice)?

20 posted on 01/09/2006 9:17:15 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: King Prout

Possible ozone?


31 posted on 01/09/2006 9:24:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Philistone

Many many years ago I was a police officer. I once chased a suspect in a car and after he ditched his car ran after him...through woods, through a creek, and caught him on an embankment on the other side. I was soaking wet and he was too. Once I caught him he begged me to shoot him. The thought of shooting him never crossed my mind.

I seriously doubt many police officers ever think they will have to shoot anyone...and most pray they never have to.


36 posted on 01/09/2006 9:28:23 PM PST by BamaBlue
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To: Philistone

lately there is a brand of cops who... well, won't do anything polite or impolite unless they have approval from lawyers in town...

The American justice system is in shambles.


43 posted on 01/09/2006 9:34:40 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Philistone; Army Air Corps

Philistone,

you were doing fine, right up until the "...preferably shooting them first" line.
I would have said "no, not ZOTworthy" up until that point.
after that point, I give you odds of 7:4 against seeing the dawn here.


46 posted on 01/09/2006 9:35:50 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Philistone

>>>>And before I get ZOTTED, no, I'm not a troll or a DUmmie.

You signed up a few weeks ago and you already know about trolls and zots?


52 posted on 01/09/2006 9:40:04 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Philistone

I am a retired Air Force Security Policeman who also spent time as a reserve officer for San Bernardino County S.O.(Hesperia Sub Station)in the mid 80's and as a part-time bush officer in the Alaskan Interior:

I joined the Coast Guard at 17 with no clue as to what I wanted to do but get out of my parents house. I spent three years wasting my time in a variety of truly bad coast guard jobs, but I did do a stint as a Shore Patrolman in San Diego in 1982 and really liked it. I could not get a guaranteed land station in the CG as a Shore patrolman, so I transferred to the AF as an SP. After a failed marriage in 1986, a girlfriend got me interested in the Sheriffs reserve program. I loved it!

In Alaska I immediately went to look for work as soon as I was stationed there for the military. After only 5 months, I had 17 DUI arrests, 13 wants/warrants an two weapons/assault busts’ and a perfect conviction rate. The bubble burst when I got called into my military commanders office and the chief of police (My downtown boss) was there, waiting for me.

It turns out a fellow Bush Officer in a town 200 miles away arrested a guy who was drunk and bragging about the "Hit" out on the Air Force guy making all the arrests at Galena. (Me...) My commander ordered me to quit the part time work, confined me to base, and put me behind a desk for four months. With all that free time I really hit the gym hard, got hurt really bad and eventually the injury put me out of police work (It took almost 10 years) and eventually out of the Air Force a little early too. (I could have gone another two years, but my back was killing me!!)

So to make a short story long, I became a cop because of a cute girl and it was fun!

As to your questions:
Most of the time I could pick a bad/guilty guy at ten paces. (I know more than a few great cops that can make a hunch pan out...) If I was sure he was trouble, in Alaska, I could stop him and do a "Severe Weather Check" and make sure he was "safe & OK". Usually I could rattle them enough to make a mistake and detain them for a warrant check. I busted 13 guys this way with outstanding warrants.

I never lied in court but I never answered a question that wasn't asked. Never volunteer anything...

The most marginal case I ever had, I tricked a recently retired Air Force Master Sgt to come on base. I knew he was using as a civilian, but I didn’t have enough to arrest him downtown, (He was still subject to military law for another year, but he had to come on base where we could use a force urinalyses to send him to jail...) Once there, the base commander threatened him until he coughed up the largest drug dealer ever seen at that time in the Alaskan Interior. The warrant was useless because the perp moved the drugs to a shed not covered by the warrant. (A Lot of drugs were confiscated, no arrests stuck)

The guy who gave up the info fled the state when word got around he had talked. I still don't know if he lived or not... Drug dealers have long memories and a longer reach.

At the time it really bothered me, now I look back and know it was the right thing to do. We took a lot of very bad drugs off the street that day.

Most cops will never admit to these little transgressions for fear of a lawsuit or worst. That's why I was a little vague about names and dates...

--When I busted a stone cold druggie for assault, he tried to sue me. The DA dropped the drug charge and the guy got 45 days for trying to gut me like a fish!! ( I could have killed him, but I was off duty and little drunk. Even in my diminished state, I remembered he was Mexican, I am white. He had a knife, I had gun and I would fail a field sobriety test.

I scared him off and came back with 6 officers. We found his apartment and I had him arrested for assault and resisting arrest. Drugs were in plain site also. Once cuffed he resisted again and was carried unconscious to the patrol car.

His lawyer wanted the whole thing dropped because I was drinking. The lawsuit was used as leverage to reduce the sentence. But I was told I could lose big time in civil court.

I never shot anyone. Besides the above, twice I was on duty and could have, but talked them into dropping their weapons. (Fellow officers say I had the gift of gab... or they dropped the gun to shut me up!)


75 posted on 01/09/2006 10:04:00 PM PST by JimBianchi11 (Canadian laws protect very little)
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To: Philistone

When in doubt, never talk to a cop. You have no legal obligation to answer any question unless someone is in immediate danger. If in a vehicle, you must provide you driver's license and the vehicle registration. Other than that, it is best to simply tell them you want to talk to your attorney.

If questioned about a crime that has been committed, NEVER, EVER talk to an attorney, even if you are innocent. They will twist anything you might say or imply in such a way as to implicate you. Simply tell them you don't know anything and want a lawyer before discussing anything.


83 posted on 01/09/2006 10:14:35 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Philistone; Larry Lucido
O.K, I'll bite:
If the officer thought something was "hinky' about the child's injury, he'd call for a supervisor to watch his patrol car and ride in the ambulance. More than likely he'd just listen ... looking for clues that it wasn't an accident.
The unmirandized statements of the father ... well, I'll leave that to Larry Lucido, ESQ for the fancy terms.
(Did 20 years, 14 as a detective)
88 posted on 01/09/2006 10:23:08 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Philistone
I am not a Cop but would like to throw in my 2 cents.

The only Police Officers I cant understand are revenue collectors that park on the middle of a hill and ticket people for speeding on the way down.

I could never imagine a real Police Officer doing this and still calling themselves a Republican when they take off the uniform.
89 posted on 01/09/2006 10:23:53 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Philistone; Clemenza
"putting bad guys in jail and preferably shooting them first"?

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Your question reminds me of all the assholes and pussies I knew back when I was a sworn to. I can't tell you how many times some bozo would ask the same thing at a barbeque, and always with the same 'innocent', 'honest, I just want to know' dumb look. You learn pretty quick to walk away from these clowns.....bye.

107 posted on 01/10/2006 5:42:42 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Philistone

Having a couple of family members who work in law enforcement, I seriously doubt you will get any serious answers, due to the way you have posed your questions.


110 posted on 01/10/2006 5:59:14 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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