Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

[truthfinder9]

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.

[fish hawk]

See, I told you so. But NO, you wouldn't listen.

[Alter Kaker]

Two genera (ex: australopithicus, pan) no matter how closely related would never end up evolving in to the same descendant species.

Sorry to nitpick, but either an Australopithecine (or a species from a closely related genus, eg. Ardipithecus) is almost certainly the common ancestor of both Homo and Pan.

[montag813]

Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Does that include Tookie?

[Strategerist]

Evolutionary 'cousins' as opposed to 'ancestor/offspring'...

Truthtwister9 is explicitly claiming that not only are humans not descended from Neandertals, and humans did not interbreed with them (what the articles he's citing ACTUALLY claim) but that humans and neandertals are not related in any way, and do not share a common ancestor.

[fish hawk]

More insulting to you than "Merry Christmas". By the way, Merry Christmas.

[Sweetjustusnow]

I think a better word than 'evolution' would be devolution. Because, if I'm correct here, isn't it true that everything is actually breaking down?

[metmom]

If you read these threads often enough you will find that scientists do admit that nothing in science can ever be proved but only disproved.

[ndt]

"Then you must just have a problem with the Bible. Either God created humans in their present form (per Genesis) or He didn't."

Are you a young earth creationist? I mean you either are or are not taking liberties with interpretations.

[Alter Kaker]

Then you must just have a problem with the Bible. Either God created humans in their present form (per Genesis) or He didn't.

I think Genesis is correct, but it's what God told wandering goat-herders 5000 years ago --- isn't a science textbook and can't be read as such. Instead its purpose is to tell us of the supremacy of God and of His central importance in our universe.

[mlc9852]

I have never claimed to know how old the earth is. I have no idea and I don't think the Bible makes it clear so I pass. However, the Bible makes it perfectly clear that God is the Creator.

[numberonepal]

I also find it interesting that evolution is still "theory" which means it hasn't been proved conclusively and yet any other theory is dismissed.

A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests. ID is at best a hypothesis. Evolution has made it all the way through the scientific method to become a theory. I do not believe ID "scientists" have used their hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

I also don't understand why it so hard for some to believe that G_d set the gears of evolution in motion. Both sides can have some very narrow views.

[mlc9852]

Do you believe God created humans in their present form?

[narby]

I would venture to say [Darwin] certainly is [a religious figure] to some - many on these threads.

Get a clue. Many who accept evolution are Christians, and they obviously don't think Darwin is a religious figure.

Those of us how don't believe in the supernatural also don't think Darwin is a religious figure, because no one is.

All we want is truth in science classes. You can have all the preaching about anything you want in church, but we're opposing a religious invasion of science class. That's it. Nothing else.

[Junior]

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CrevoSci threads for the past week:

1. 2005-12-21 Dover Must Change Evolution Policy in Next 40m Years
2. 2005-12-21 'Flat Earth' concept upheld (Dover court ruling)
3. 2005-12-21 Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape
4. 2005-12-21 John E. Jones III (R-PA), Intelligence Design slamming judge, President Bush appointee in 2002
5. 2005-12-20 Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized (Discovery Institute reaction)
6. 2005-12-20 Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized as a Futile Attempt to Censor Science Education
7. 2005-12-20 Global Trend: More Science, More Fraud
8. 2005-12-20 Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
9. 2005-12-20 Judge Rules Against 'Intelligent Design'
10. 2005-12-20 Judge strikes down Intelligent Design…He must have descended from a baboon!
11. 2005-12-20 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District: Assault on US
12. 2005-12-19 Creating first synthetic life form
13. 2005-12-19 Decoding of Mammoth Genome Might Lead to Resurrection
14. 2005-12-18 Dead MothsGlued To The Trees![And More Evolution Frauds Exposed!]
15. 2005-12-18 Evolution Trial in Hands of Willing Judge
16. 2005-12-18 Extinct mammoth DNA decoded
17. 2005-12-18 Is string theory in trouble?
18. 2005-12-18 Tom Bethell Puts Darwinism on Defense
19. 2005-12-17 Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
20. 2005-12-17 Intelligent Design Grounded in Strong Science
21. 2005-12-17 Why 'Theology Is a Simple Muddle'
22. 2005-12-16 Gene That Determines Skin Color Is Discovered, Scientists Report
23. 2005-12-16 Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . . (Toba)
24. 2005-12-16 Not Out Of Africa But Regional Continuity
25. 2005-12-16 Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
26. 2005-12-15 Ability to capture large prey may be origin of army ants' cooperative behavior
27. 2005-12-15 Appeals judges see errors in evolution sticker ruling
28. 2005-12-15 Law Professor Crosses Evolution Battle Lines: Conservative leader sides with ACLU
29. 2005-12-15 Skull Study Suggests at Least Two Groups Colonized America
30. 2005-12-15 There is no proof that we evolved from apes. Period

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CrevoSci Thread Count, 2005 YTD:  1292

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On This Date in CrevoSci History

1. 2004-12-21 Human Gland Probably Evolved From Gills
2. 2004-12-21 Kibble for Thought: Dog diversity prompts new evolution theory
3. 2004-12-21 The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back
4. 2003-12-21 A Freeper's Introduction to Rhetoric (Part 3, the Argument Ad Hominem)
5. 2003-12-21 Beads of Doubt: Second Law of Thermodynamics Untrue? -
6. 2003-12-21 Life on Mars? A little Beagle may tell us
7. 2003-12-21 Meet a future jewel of technology: gem of a beetle which thinks it's an opal
8. 2003-12-21 Phillip Johnson
9. 2002-12-21 Gene Study Identifies 5 Main Human Populations
10. 2001-12-21 A Small Spherical Universe after All?
11. 2001-12-21 Happy Anti-Solstice!

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Longest CrevoSci Thread Ever

• 2002-12-11 Evolution Disclaimer Supported (6,915 replies)

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Lost CrevoSci Battlefields (Pulled or Locked Threads)

1. 2005-11-15 'Perception' gene tracked humanity's evolution, scientists say
2. 2004-04-27 Stop Teaching Our Kids this Evolution Claptrap!
3. 2003-10-29 The Mystery of the Missing Links (Intelligent Design vs. Evolution)
4. 2003-10-27 Physics Nobelist Takes Stand on Evolution
5. 2003-10-23 Gene Found for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
6. 2003-10-21 Artificial Proteins Assembled from Scratch
7. 2003-09-23 Solar System Formation Questions
8. 2003-09-17 Agreement of the Willing - Free Republic Science Threads
9. 2003-07-18 Unlikely Group May Revive Darwin Debate [Evolution v. Creationism]
10. 2003-07-02 Unlocking the Mystery of 'Unlocking the Mystery of Life'
11. 2003-06-26 Darwin Faces a New Rival
12. 2003-06-06 Amazing Creatures
13. 2002-09-13 Oldest Known Penis Is 100 Million Years Old
14. 2002-04-10 (Creationists) CRSC Correction
15. 2001-11-10 Alabama to continue biology textbook warning sticker
16. 2001-11-06 Warming makes mosquito evolve, University of Oregon scientists find
17. 2001-08-28 The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [6th Revision]
18. 2001-08-26 A Scientific Account of the Origin of Life on Earth [Thread I]
19. 2001-01-13 A Christian Understanding of Intelligent Design
20. 2000-11-15 Evolutionism Receives Another Hard Blow
21. 2000-10-10 Another Lost Generation?
22. 2000-08-30 Evil-Ution
23. 1999-11-14 Creationism's Success Past 5 Years: (Gallup: 1 in 10 hold secular evolutionist perspective)

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[antiRepublicrat]

Or in a religion class: "Does this mean I'll get an F if I don't answer the religion questions correctly?"

Teacher: "Of course, that's how it works for all tests."

Student: "But I don't believe in that religion."

Teacher: "It doesn't matter, you just have to know the subject, not believe. It has no bearing on your personal beliefs."


Of course it depends on the teacher, as you have bad ones on both sides of the issue who try to change the beliefs of the students. When I took a course in Islam in college, it was definitely understood that we were dispassionately studying a subject, not being proselytized.

[Alter Kaker]

I think a better word than 'evolution' would be devolution. Because, if I'm correct here, isn't it true that everything is actually breaking down?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Evolution simply means change. It doesn't have a direction.

[mlc9852]

Feel free to believe whatever you wish. That's the beauty of faith.

[fish hawk]

God said: 
Darwin said: 
I'm always amazed at how many choose Darwin.

[Alter Kaker]

Do you believe God created humans in their present form?

I do not. I believe that God created our souls, I believe that He created the universe in which we live and I believe that He created the first life. But the evidence is overwhelming that we evolved naturally.

[Vaquero]

the trick is to understand that evolution is an ongoing process. Men and Apes evolved from ape like ancestors, which should probably also be called apes. Those apes do not exist in the form they did way back when. We are closer to Chimps than to other apes. Now chimps have split into 2 different subspecies...chimps and bonobos, with bonobos being the closest to us.