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FREEP THIS SURVEY!!! (Should businesses or restaurants be allowed to display religious messages?)
WRAL.com (Raleigh-Durham-Fayetteville, NC) ^ | 12-14-05

Posted on 12/14/2005 10:43:16 AM PST by libertyman

Everyone celebrates religion & holidays in their own individual ways, but currently there are questions abouth whether the two should be more connected. One of the latest places involved in the controversy is a McDonald's restaurant in Raleigh.

The sign at McDonald's on the corner of Falls of Neuse & Spring Forrest Road reads: "Merry Christmas. Jesus is the reason for the season." It is a holiday message that Amanda Alpert thinks comes on a little too strongly.

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TOPICS: US: North Carolina; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: christmasdecorations; mcdonalds; moralabsolutes
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Did you call them on the number I gave you?


41 posted on 12/14/2005 12:59:03 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: MineralMan

I don't know the specifics of the McDonald's policy, but I know that all major U.S. consumer-oriented businesses have firm policies on these matters (note the recent media hoopla over chains that have explicitly banned employees from uttering the words "Merry Christmas"). McDonald's may choose to allow this particular sign on a franchisee's property, though I'm quite sure it wouldn't be permitted on the property of a company-owned store, and I seriously doubt it would be allowed at a franchise in a heavily Jewish area. The franchisee contract would certainly specify the corporate management's right to set limits on this sort of thing. This "Jesus is the reason for the season" sign in North Carolina may get the okay, especially since McDonald's does have some formal corporate activities which involve explicit mention of "Christmas". However, I stand by my assertion that an "Allah Akbar" sign at any McDonald's would be dealt with quickly and mercilessly.


42 posted on 12/14/2005 1:02:47 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ARCADIA

Unless you are John McCain.


43 posted on 12/14/2005 1:04:50 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Old Professer; MineralMan

Nope, I've moved on to this morning's juicy government-and-religion story of the NYC health commissioner attempting to persuade some Orthodox Jews to stop letting mohels suck on their baby boys' penises. Seems it's an effective way of transmitting herpes . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1540475/posts


44 posted on 12/14/2005 1:18:35 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Why can't they just buy chewing gum like everybody else?


45 posted on 12/14/2005 1:20:18 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: ARCADIA

Got news fur ya, y'all gave in on the seat belt thing. Y'all gave in on the smoking thing.

Why should this be any different?

It might take a bit longer, that's all.


46 posted on 12/14/2005 1:21:51 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Ewwww! I'm going to just skip that thread, I think.


47 posted on 12/14/2005 1:30:34 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Pete

They DO understand, the purpose is to "frame the debate" ala winning with words. (it is from that Dr. Fatso loonie leftiest guru)

The debate is now from should a business be allowed to NOT say christmas at christmas to can a business be PROHIBITED as a matter of law from using christmas at christmas. The effort is a propaganda tool to make the debate start at the point of the atheist.


48 posted on 12/14/2005 1:35:35 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MineralMan
"Restaurabts, definitely should not display religions messages."

I believe "Restaurabts" is Flemish for "I can't spell for shit."

49 posted on 12/14/2005 1:39:08 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: longtermmemmory

"The effort is a propaganda tool to make the debate start at the point of the atheist.
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Not this atheist. This is stupid, and is really a non-story. There is no provision in law that would allow the government to ban such signs, as long as a sign bearing messages is allowed in that jurisdiction, as it apparently is.

I can't see why the story was written in the first place. It will simply go away. We do have a Constitution in this country, and this private business has every right to post such a message if it wishes.


50 posted on 12/14/2005 1:39:30 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Mad Dawgg

"I believe "Restaurabts" is Flemish for "I can't spell for sh!t."


Ah...I see. I guess I spoke too soon. I'm not fluent in Flemish. [grin]


51 posted on 12/14/2005 1:40:29 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: libertyman
"It offends me because it specifically talks about Jesus, Merry Christmas. It doesn't give credit to anyone else," Alpert said.

She is absolutely correct. It should also give some credit by acknowledging Mary and the Holy Spirit, too.

52 posted on 12/14/2005 3:44:43 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: libertyman
As of 15:49 PST

Choice Votes Percentage of 11227 Votes
Yes, 10883 97%
No, 266 2%
No opinion 78 1%


Frankly the 3% who haven't said yes scare the bejeebies out of me.
53 posted on 12/14/2005 3:50:25 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: MineralMan

The constitution can be bypassed via PC thought crime.

Just look at PC in general. How much speech and ideas are supressed in the fear of crossing some imaginary PC threshold.


54 posted on 12/14/2005 4:12:54 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MineralMan

why?


55 posted on 12/14/2005 7:49:45 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: MineralMan
This woman has no understanding, apparently, of the Constitution.

To the Left, anyone who "offends" must be silenced, the quaint notion of "Free Speech" be damned.

That is why Canadians are so satisfied with their self-stifling "hate" laws.

56 posted on 12/14/2005 7:53:26 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: libertyman

http://jasoncurtis.typepad.com/jason_curtis/2005/12/jesus_is_the_re.html#comment-12126608
Here is a nice blog post about the situation.


57 posted on 12/15/2005 9:47:12 AM PST by auntyfemenist (Get out of bed, go to work every day, many problems magically solved.)
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To: libertyman

What a stupid question. Private businesses can display anything from "JOHN 3:16" to "HAIL SATAN".


58 posted on 12/15/2005 9:47:58 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: libertyman

freeped, but it didn't look like it needed any help from us


59 posted on 12/15/2005 9:49:42 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel Shall come to thee, O Israel.)
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