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Is Birmingham [England] on the brink of a race war?
www.timesonine.co.uk ^ | October 25, 2005 | Steve Bird

Posted on 10/25/2005 5:48:08 AM PDT by reelfoot

FOR years rival black gangs have waged brutal battles in the maze of streets on the neighbouring estates in Lozells, Aston and Handsworth.

But there were growing fears last night that two of the most violent black gangs, the Burger Bar Boys and the Johnson Crew, may unite against Asian gangs involved in the weekend riots.

According to an internet report, the two gangs — which were involved in the New Year murders of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare — have put their differences aside in the aftermath of the riots.

A black music website called Supatrax featured an anonymous message under the heading: “One black girl raped by 19 men, one black youth dead, one Asian man dead, one police officer shot, two girls stabbed, cars getting jacked, cars on fire.”

It reads: “Word outta street is that members from Johnson Crew and Burger Bar have met to call a truce to recent gang warfare and unite against any attacks from the Pakistani community.

“For too long black people have had to stand by . . . this is a time to unite and stand strong not only for the justice of the young girl but also for the black community as a whole.”

Four men, all members of the Burger Boys, were found guilty of the murder of the two girls who were shot outside a party in Aston in January. Marcus Ellis, 24, Charlene’s half-brother, was among those jailed.

A police spokesman refused to confirm or deny rumours that the rival gangs had joined forces.

The three days of violence have seen a policeman shot, more than 30 people injured and cars torched and shops looted.

Detectives were continuing to try to establish whether the shooting of the teenager in the Newtown area of the city yesterday was linked to the rioting.

The teenager, said to be mixed race, was shot in the head and arm in the street, just one mile from the scene of the riots. It is not known whether the gunman was black or Asian. Speaking at a press conference yesterday Detective Chief Inspector Keith Wilson said: “It’s too early to comment on whether these incidents are linked. There have been community tensions in the area. If there are links then hopefully we will make them at a very early stage.”

Armed police attended the scene at about 12.40am yesterday after receiving reports of a man brandishing a gun.

Officers gave the teenager first aid and called paramedics but they were unable to save him.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission was asked to investigate “as a matter of course” but insisted no shots were fired by officers.

Amerdeep Somal, commissioner for the complaints commission, said: “Police had received several reports including one from the fire service of an armed man on the street.

“They saw a man stumble and fall in the road and then approached to arrest him and saw he had injuries to his head and arm.” Mr Somal was among those who appealed for calm yesterday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: england; gangs; immigration; racialstrife
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Ain't immigration and diversity great? More and more I tend to think that homogeneous societies like Japan have a lot going for them.
1 posted on 10/25/2005 5:48:09 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
It reads: “Word outta street is that members from Johnson Crew and Burger Bar have met to call a truce to recent gang warfare and unite against any attacks from the Pakistani community.

A very confusing article...and no where did it tell about attacks from muslims on blacks or of a religious war...

2 posted on 10/25/2005 5:52:04 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: reelfoot
Yes, those Burger Boys can be pretty scarey! (Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
3 posted on 10/25/2005 5:55:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: reelfoot
Sounds like they are these guys.
4 posted on 10/25/2005 5:55:44 AM PDT by A Cyrenian
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To: 2banana

“One black girl raped by 19 men, one black youth dead, one Asian man dead"

The dead Asian man I believe is the Pakistani who as you suggest cannot be mentioned because of the higherarchy of political correctness in which Islam trumps all.


5 posted on 10/25/2005 5:56:19 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (No French Person Was Injured In The Writing Of This Post)
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To: reelfoot
How are all these people in England getting shot? I thought they banned firearms?

What? If you ban firearms only the criminals have guns? Hmmmmm....

6 posted on 10/25/2005 5:58:19 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: MadIvan
This article is inexplicable to an American reader.

Are we to understand that there are organized South Asian street gangs in in Birmingham and that these gangs have initiated violence against Caribbean gangs?

Are these South Asian street gangs predominantly Muslim or Hindu?

Was the "mixed race" individual in question Asian/African or Asian/European or European/African?

7 posted on 10/25/2005 6:00:02 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: reelfoot
Ain't immigration and diversity great? More and more I tend to think that homogeneous societies like Japan have a lot going for them.

Also, like Greece, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finnland, Switzerland, Germany, China, that is, most countries who insist on preserving their own native culture, tradition, histories, language, etc.

This news story has SUCH a familiar ring to it -- Los Angeles, black and Hispanic gangs.
Everybody loses with multiculturalism, even, to some extent in multi-ethnic/racial/religious societies where the dominant culture is under CONSTANT attack, via 1. worship of other cultures/ethnicities/races/religions and 2. self-hatred, from its own members.
See America, Euro-Americans and Chrisitanity.

8 posted on 10/25/2005 6:04:23 AM PDT by starfish923 (It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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>>>>>>>Ain't immigration and diversity great?

Just remember, diversity is our greatest strength. Anerica never accomplished much of anything in the dark days before diversity. Just look at NASA or World War II or the Constitution: when none of the astronauts or generals or politicians were diverse, America's record was one of abject failure.

9 posted on 10/25/2005 6:06:15 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: reelfoot
Burger Bar Boys aren't as tough as the Van Buren Boys

10 posted on 10/25/2005 6:07:44 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

In Britain the term "Asian" means an Indian or Pakistani person, not an east Asian as here.

Very confusing.


11 posted on 10/25/2005 6:08:03 AM PDT by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: reelfoot
Coming to a major metropolitan area near you! Just a question of when.
12 posted on 10/25/2005 6:08:51 AM PDT by Burf (We'll all be drinkin that free Bubble Up and eatin that Rainbow Stew.)
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To: reelfoot

Asians= Pakistanis?


13 posted on 10/25/2005 6:11:05 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: 2banana

Diversity, thy name is failure.


14 posted on 10/25/2005 6:12:36 AM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: SittinYonder
You can bet the muzzies have NO problem getting weapons into 'not so great' Britain...

I believe the Brits have declared the AK-47, the RPG-7, and Semtex to be religious worship articles....

15 posted on 10/25/2005 6:14:15 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
The dead Asian man I believe is the Pakistani who as you suggest cannot be mentioned because of the higherarchy of political correctness in which Islam trumps all.

Well, Islam trumps all....in Britain.
We have our own "trumps."

Lol. I saw a Phil Donahue show many years ago. It was right during/after the big broo-ha-ha between African-Americans and Hadisic Jews in New York.
Donahue had on a panel of four members from each of the above mentioned groups.
Each group had a middle-aged male leader and three younger men who did most of the talking. All were very smart, well-rehearsed and all had done their homework.

It was a pissing contest between them of whose sufferings trumped whose. Slavery versus anti-Semiticism.
Donahue sat back and watched them. Each group was absolutely positive that IT had undergone the most suffering (from guess who?) in America and the history of the planet (from guess who?) and was therefore entitled, because of its mighty courage, for the most sympathy, honor and admiration (and benefit$ from guess who?). Each group felt that it was OWED (by guess who?) because it was superior to the other group (and to guess who?) in its suffering.

Donahue wound it up by telling them, MOST humorously, that they were both the EXACT same -- elitist, racist, bigots who were flip side of the same coin.
Almost everyone laughed, including the young men from each group. The two middle-aged male leaders of said groups did NOT laugh. They KNEW that although Donahue was wrong, everyone else thought he was right....and they were NOT amused.

That was Donahue of many, many years ago. He's a pimp for the leftists now. But he did have one good show.

16 posted on 10/25/2005 6:26:30 AM PDT by starfish923 (It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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To: reelfoot

Same old violent stupidity. Some things never change.


17 posted on 10/25/2005 6:28:45 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: reelfoot
Yeah, diversity is evil, I tell you! Evil! Let's get back to the days where people who were different from us were kept in their place and where we had no new ideas coming from other cultures and building up our own...

Shcmuck. No, wait, that insult's too "diverse". Nincompoop.

18 posted on 10/25/2005 6:33:00 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: Thorin
Just remember, diversity is our greatest strength. Anerica never accomplished much of anything in the dark days before diversity. Just look at NASA or World War II or the Constitution: when none of the astronauts or generals or politicians were diverse, America's record was one of abject failure.

It depends on what your definition of diversity involves.

If it is simple RACIAL or SEXUAL diversity, then it's not so. The diversity that is so good is the INTELLECTUAL diversity from each unique individual. That MAY come from different cultures, but those cultures shouldn't be racially or religously specific. That really doesn't matter.

We CAN have tremendous DIVERSITY from other European cultures. It DOESN'T have to come from a different group based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion. It MIGHT, but it doesn't guarantee any more diversity than anything else.

Diversity based on p.c. (race, ethnicity, gender. sexual orientation or religion) is crap, racist, bigoted, elitist, sexist, relative-morality crap.

19 posted on 10/25/2005 6:37:38 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: reelfoot

I live in Birmingham UK. All I can say is - it's perfectly safe to walk the streets here. There are no "no-go" areas. But if it does end up as a post-apocalyptic society with flesh-eating zombies prowling the streets then I'll post pictures for you guys.

One interesting byproduct of multiculturalism: if you get enough "minorities" into a western society then most of the violence and race hatred will be between them. I always remember a little hindu girl who pointed to a picture of a venomous spitting cobra on my TV and said "it's a Muslim!". (I'm not saying this with any sense of superiority BTW: IMO that little girl had a point.)





20 posted on 10/25/2005 6:38:38 AM PDT by agere_contra
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