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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: TheHound
Well please disreguard my last post then, but your reticence to state your postion just lit off all that I find wrong with the consevative movement.

Too late. I already regarded it. I'm interested to hear your expression of all that you find wrong with the consevative movement.

741 posted on 10/09/2005 9:44:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ntnychik; PhilDragoo; potlatch; Smartass; bitt; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; dixiechick2000; ...


Logic 101


Threads on Free Republic like the Miers nomination topic are quite telling -


I do not refer to Harriet Miers.....




742 posted on 10/09/2005 9:52:55 PM PDT by devolve (--------------- ( -- under deconstruction -- ) ---------------)
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To: Pukin Dog
So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

I don't buy this. I think it's a case of the GOP senators not having the cojones (or the votes) to remove Specter.

Another reason why I don't believe this whole line of argument is because if Bush had named, for instance, Luttig and he was defeated in the committee with Republican votes, it would have been the judiciary committee which felt the wrath of the Conservative base--Specter in particular. All this negative energy would have been focused on him. Instead, it's all focused squarely on the president.

The Miers nomination was either a terrible miscalculation on the part of the president, or a purposeful thumbing of his nose at the base of the GOP. Very distressing.
743 posted on 10/09/2005 10:00:37 PM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: devolve; ntnychik
Some nights this can be appropriate to post on a thread!

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744 posted on 10/09/2005 10:07:04 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: devolve
Threads on Free Republic like the Miers nomination topic are quite telling -

They sure are.

745 posted on 10/09/2005 10:08:55 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Pukin Dog

wb ping


746 posted on 10/09/2005 10:10:37 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (GO CARDINALS !!)
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To: Pukin Dog; Kryptonite
Well, Dog, looks like the "cool kids" you're trying to impress your way back into favor with aren't satisfied with that pound of flesh you tried to offer up with this horse crap thread you started.

Seems "Kryptonite" here--one of their devoted tounge-wagging sycophants--has been given the nod to let you know that The Coven is still mightily unhappy with even the pathetic shreds of opposition you posted against their arrogant decrees just a few days ago, prior to that mewling Opus of yours (said Opus which you, in turn, posted this thread in order to disclaim and renounce).

Looks like more abject obeisance will be necessary in order to get back into their good graces...why don't you just agree to run all of your tender, scintillating notions through them before posting in the future, and perhaps they'll welcome you back into the warm fold of the smugly tolerated?

...(snicker)...

747 posted on 10/09/2005 10:13:51 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Lucretia Borgia

I agree completely. I have arrived at the position that we currently restate to liberals all the time:

Elections have consequences, and W is President. I believe he should have the nominee he wants, and that the Senate should confirm her.

This is not enough in my opinion to hand power back to Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and their ilk.


748 posted on 10/09/2005 10:23:39 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Moonman62
It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time.

I can either believe this is spin, or I can think less of the Republican Senators than I already do.

Tough decision.

749 posted on 10/09/2005 10:50:40 PM PDT by ottersnot (Kill a commie for your mommie)
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To: Pukin Dog; John Robinson
Capitaine: "In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst."

JR: "Let me get this right: Miers is all we can get for now, for all the byzantine reasons you outline. But the next time out, we get what we want, per you: 'our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up.'"

Capitaine: "What I am telling you is that Miers is indeed all you can get. And if there is another opening, you are going to get another Miers, and another one after that, because you will probably have the very same Senate or worse."


So how is our "best hope" dependent on another vacancy if that vacancy too will yield a nominee such as Miers who in your words is merely "all we can get"?
You do see the contradiction you made, don't you?

750 posted on 10/09/2005 10:59:25 PM PDT by jla
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To: Pukin Dog
You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information.

Now why wasn't I surprised to learn this?

751 posted on 10/09/2005 11:01:15 PM PDT by jla
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To: Pukin Dog
A very good analysis.

Too many Republicans think that we have some sort of perfect storm in DC with which to swamp the Democrats. We don't. While we firmly control the White House and the House of Representatives, we do not really control the Senate. To get a lasting lock on the Supreme Court, and really begin to undo the last 70 years of Democrat rule, we need to control the Senate. That isn't going to happen as long as we're stuck with the likes of Specter, Lott, and McCain. So in the here and now that we actually have, Bush has to make appointments that will pass that weakly held Senate.

The perfect cannot be allowed to become the enemy of the good. While there are perfect candidates for the Court, a good one that actually passes confirmation is a better choice.

752 posted on 10/09/2005 11:05:18 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Redcloak
We need to control the Senate.

R-55

D-44

I-1

754 posted on 10/09/2005 11:08:45 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: Pukin Dog
Welcome back

Thanks for your ever diligent analysis, I understand alot more then I did earlier.

756 posted on 10/09/2005 11:19:44 PM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: Pukin Dog

bookmark


757 posted on 10/09/2005 11:33:30 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Iwo Jima
Actually, I noted several other posts which described questions about Beldar's work. So, you don't have to write back to me on this subject.

Cordially,

John / Billybob
758 posted on 10/09/2005 11:47:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Bush plays chess, while his opponents are playing checkers.)
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To: Pukin Dog
There is nothing here from you thats not breaking or cutting edge.

I think your little birdie is the Conservative radio talk shows.

Wolf
759 posted on 10/10/2005 12:23:40 AM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RunningWolf
There is nothing here from you that IS breaking or cutting edge.
760 posted on 10/10/2005 12:24:50 AM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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