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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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Comment #321 Removed by Moderator

To: Torie

1) Estrada WAS considered initially, and 2) the President knew WELL before the public that Owens wasn't interesting in the USSC nomination. [BTW: It seems as thought most of the 'public' here at FR still doesn't know that Owens withdrew her name from the nomination list!]


322 posted on 10/09/2005 4:47:31 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Annie5622
Oh, now I cant be funny?
323 posted on 10/09/2005 4:47:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog; libstripper

"The only reason that Miers will be confirmed is that the Senators know her personally for her work on the Roberts confirmation and other issues (WOT) where she has played a significant role."

Libstripper-- wondering your opinions on this?

Thanks!


324 posted on 10/09/2005 4:48:35 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Mike Pence for President!!! http://acuf.org/issues/issue34/050415pol.asp)
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To: wolf24
I have no information on that.
325 posted on 10/09/2005 4:49:02 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

You sound very arogantly cotrite, upchucking mutt-have you had your rabies shot updated?

And just what the hell is that you just deposited on the carpet???????


326 posted on 10/09/2005 4:49:02 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal or RINO and I'll show you a head & heart, fit for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: Pukin Dog
And if there is another opening, you are going to get another Miers, and another one after that, because you will probably have the very same Senate or worse.

Then why vote for them?

This line of thought only encourages me to two thoughts.

A) Expose the scum. Do not appease. It'll be bloody but the clean up would be good.

B) Do not vote for them.

I do not bow to blackmail. I like my House Rep. That may be all I vote for next year, persuent to this line of thought being true, given my state is WA and I see no reason I should support anyone that will morph into someone else that would blackmail the president.

327 posted on 10/09/2005 4:49:09 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Pukin Dog
What I am telling you is that Miers is indeed all you can get. And if there is another opening, you are going to get another Miers, and another one after that, because you will probably have the very same Senate or worse.

Will the GOP complain about this abomination? You are asserting that the President is compromising on nominations, because he has to get a 60 vote supermajority.

Miers migh be great - this isn't about her. This is about whether or not the GOP will fight for principle. Your screed aims to justify not fighting for principle.

328 posted on 10/09/2005 4:50:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: oceanview
unless we OUT these people somehow by forcing them to vote

Well, I'm not sure how to do that. Since I'm in Washington State...I just have to get rid of Cantwell...if at all possible.

Wouldn't the best strategy be to leave the RINOs were they are and try to replace the dems?

I guess my overarching view (coming from the area that kicked out Foley when everyone said it wasn't possible) is that it HAS to come from the ground up, not the other way. Which makes dumping guys like McCain and Collins/Snowe really difficult.

329 posted on 10/09/2005 4:50:09 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Soul Seeker
Why vote for them?

Because having the Congressional majority is the biggest piece of the pie. If we lose that, we lose everything.

330 posted on 10/09/2005 4:50:52 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: DrDeb

Owen withdrawing was all over FR, and I never say Estrada's name on a SCOTUS list. That still leaves O'Connell, Jones, Garza, Luttig, Clement, the two obscure late surfacing women, and Wilkinson.


331 posted on 10/09/2005 4:51:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pukin Dog

Okay: I love you, Man!

But not in the homo way!

Seriously: I hate this whole thing.

And if you really are something of an insider, please pass along a message from tens of thousands of Freepers to our senators:

YOU are the elitists. But cowardly ones.


332 posted on 10/09/2005 4:51:48 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: streetpreacher
Specter would have sent those nominees up for a vote.

Myers (9th Circuit) was sent for a vote in March. Where is the vote?

333 posted on 10/09/2005 4:51:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I wanted a fight myself. Then I found out what I shared, and realized that when you cant win, a fight is silly. We cant win with this Senate. We can only stand-pat at best.
334 posted on 10/09/2005 4:51:59 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Guenevere
Brit Hume....just 5 minutes ago! said essentially the same thing!..
..He named one specifically, and said she had too much history/baggage that would have been held against her.

Not exactly the same thing. He said when they were vetting Batchelder (sp?), they found a lot of judicial activism. He didn't explain more fully, but he did say they were surprised.

335 posted on 10/09/2005 4:52:17 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Pukin Dog
I read your insider information and it reads like spin to me. We conservatives have been given two "pigs in the poke", when we were promised strick constitutionalists. All the talk you brought was about "why not" without even trying; of all jurists out there, and with two shots, you are saying GWB couldn't come up with one bona fide!!
336 posted on 10/09/2005 4:52:34 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Pukin Dog

You, I trust. If you say such, so be it.


337 posted on 10/09/2005 4:52:34 PM PDT by Maigrey (1-800-pryrwrr. Just a ring away...)
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To: Pukin Dog
Thanks Dog.

This Navy man will take you're word on this one based on your prior track record.

Go Navy! Beat Army!

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

338 posted on 10/09/2005 4:52:40 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Pukin Dog
Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy,

You mean Arlen Specter who Bush campained for in Arlen's tough primary fight against a REAL CONSERVATIVE
That Arlen
Maybe Bush forgot to have him over for popcorn

If Bush had any kind of stones he would have read the riot act to this fool
339 posted on 10/09/2005 4:52:54 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: John Robertson
If you knew how many folks in Washington read Free Republic, you would be shocked. Your message will be heard.
340 posted on 10/09/2005 4:53:11 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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