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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: Pukin Dog

With your sources I need to ask, how will we ever get a strict constructionist?

Guess I should know that. We don't.


301 posted on 10/09/2005 4:42:15 PM PDT by Mr Cobol (The MSM and WH reporters are stuck on stupid!! Add the 90 'Senators' to that. Idiots!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Honey, quit eating grass! ;) glad you're back.


302 posted on 10/09/2005 4:42:24 PM PDT by BruceysMom ("Scott Peterson is such an amature!"-Michael Shiavo)
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To: Torie

I agree. Specter would have sent those nominees up for a vote.


303 posted on 10/09/2005 4:42:48 PM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: John Robertson
Calm down.

What I am telling you is that Miers is indeed all you can get. And if there is another opening, you are going to get another Miers, and another one after that, because you will probably have the very same Senate or worse.
304 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:04 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

"This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too."

Mr. Dog you may want to get your facts straight on who gives the green light on who runs in the Senate.

For example Pat Toomey was bumped by ROVE,BUSH and sadly SANTORUM in favor of RINO Spectre.

Another example is RINO Chafee, who is running unopposed by the RNC, with White House approval.

RINO Snowe, RINO DeWine and the list goes on and on.


305 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:07 PM PDT by irons_player
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To: Pukin Dog

Very interesting. I shall keep your thoughts in mind as the hearings progress. Despite the grandstanding of some of the Senators,some good does come of the c-span coverage.


306 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:13 PM PDT by jos65
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To: Pukin Dog

>More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected.<

This is very important to note. The President didn't have to add when he announced Miers' nomination that she was not his first choice.


307 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:19 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: pollyannaish

yes but the point is, unless we OUT these people somehow by forcing them to vote - how will we know? OK, we know about Collins, Chaffee, Snowe, Spector. But I want to see the leader of the gang, McCain, vote against an otherwise qualified nominee because of their Roe opinion - and then come back in 2008 and say he is pro-life.


308 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:22 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Torie; Pukin Dog
Look, I don't know if Pukin Dog cares....but I don't have the time or energy to worry whether you think my assertions are co-extensive to PD's.

I doubt PD or myself will lose sleep over whether you belive us or not.

Go find the transcript yourself.

Or...go pound sand....your choice.

309 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:24 PM PDT by Guenevere (God bless our military!...and God bless the President of the United States!)
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To: Torie

You might catch the rerun later tonight. Then you can see and hear.


310 posted on 10/09/2005 4:43:58 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Pukin Dog

omg......get your tail out from between your legs


311 posted on 10/09/2005 4:44:24 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
The only reason that Miers will be confirmed is that the Senators know her personally for her work on the Roberts confirmation and other issues (WOT) where she has played a significant role.
312 posted on 10/09/2005 4:44:47 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Soul Seeker

the Gang of Fourteen agreement is not the cause of this latest problem, it is an example of the same weakness at the center of the Senate.

we have RINOS in the Senate that can't be trusted to vote for a partisan known conservative nominee, and the Dems have moderates who are uncomfortable with using the filibuster.

we need to get conservative Republicans elected in the Red States, and let the Blue States elect Democrats. We so no good in the long term with Liberal Republicans from Blue States. As long as we stay in the majority, we can afford to jettison RINOs in the Blue States.


313 posted on 10/09/2005 4:44:50 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: flashbunny

Did he return from deep in the hurtgen forest?


314 posted on 10/09/2005 4:44:54 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Pukin Dog
"I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that."

Geez, at least it wasn't about your "ego" this time...

315 posted on 10/09/2005 4:45:23 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Pukin Dog

I surely hope you're full of satire..or else your full of something much more smelly.


316 posted on 10/09/2005 4:45:38 PM PDT by cusp
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To: Blurblogger

Heaven help us if we have to rely on the Senate for anything...

Could we not just abolish the Senate and let the House vote twice?

Better yet. Just do it by state legislatures. That's what the original Senate was supposed to be anyway.

Seriously, the Senate has outlived it's usefulness to the Republic.


317 posted on 10/09/2005 4:45:57 PM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Pukin Dog
I am willing to trust that Bush has actually nominated a true conservative in Harriet Miers. I have watched (and participated) in all of the back and forth about whether she is or isn't conservative all week, and the only conclusion I can reach at this time is that we don't know.

What I do know is this, Bush knows her and supports her. I also know that Bush has said in so many words that conservatives will be pleased with Miers; I realize that in the past Bush has let us down, but he has never deliberately lied to us.

Miers is not going to withdraw, and Bush is not going to ask her to, so we need to support her. We need to support Bush and unify the base and hopefully increase the majority in the Senate next year. It is very possible that Bush will have the opportunity to appoint successors for Stevens and Ginsburg, and those appointments would be an absolute nightmare without a strong and unified base. We need to support our president and trust him.

318 posted on 10/09/2005 4:46:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: varmintxer
A 70+ Republican Senate majority. Until then, you get nada and should be grateful for that. The Senate is Democrat controlled no matter what the MSM tells you.
319 posted on 10/09/2005 4:46:24 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pittsburg Phil
I'm glad you have chosen to keep an open mind. I would like to see a critic of the president point out which one of these people supports the notion he is incapable of making proper judicial appointments and confirms the fears expressed here on FR.

RECENT CONFIRMATIONS

Judge John Roberts was confirmed as Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court on September 29, 2005.

Thomas B. Griffith was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on June 14, 2005.

Judge William H. Pryor Jr. was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit on June 9, 2005.

Judge Richard Allan Griffin was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit on June 9, 2005.

Judge David McKeague was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit on June 9, 2005.

Justice Janice Rogers Brown was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on June 8, 2005.

Justice Priscilla Owen was confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit on May 25, 2005.

STILL PENDING IN THE U.S. SENATE

William Gerry Myers, III
First nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on May 15, 2003




I am waiting to see what happens and I haven't chosen to side with or against Harriett Miers, I am suggesting the president deserves the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.
320 posted on 10/09/2005 4:46:25 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (It was a village of idiots that raised Hillary to Senator status.)
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