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Let's have a rational discussion on homosexuality in the Church!
1 posted on 09/30/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by NormB
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92 posted on 09/30/2005 1:06:15 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Estimates of the numbers of gays in the priesthood vary from 25 percent to 50 percent. About one-third of the 42,500 U.S. priests are members of religious orders.

I can't dispute numbers... but I think is high. But of course for me 10% is HIGH!

the QUESTION IS WHY.........?

(a)Good access to children and boys? (b)Agenda?

Probably both!

96 posted on 09/30/2005 1:12:06 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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The situation in the Catholic clergy is actually much worse than most people realize. Michale Rose wrote a great book on this subject a few years ago called Goodbye, Good Men.

It was actually written shortly before the current sexual abuse problems erupted. The subtitle is: How Liberalism Bought Corruption Into the Catholic Church. As usual, you can usually find liberalism at the root cause of most of the problems in our culture. I believe it was in this book that he described the pristhood as bascially evolving in recent decades into a "gay profession," much like male flight attendants. In many seminaries, "straight" candidtates are actually weeded out.

Here are a couple reviews of the book from Amazon. It was a real eyeopener for me, and I'd highly recommend it:

"Written shortly before the current scandal broke upon the Roman Catholic Church, Rose's book seems almost prophetic as he documents the systematic rejection of pious, orthodox seminary applicants in many dioceses and the encouragement of questionable attitudes and agendas. Rose, who was editor of St. Catherine Review for seven years, is the author of numerous articles, essays, and books that question the wisdom of contemporary liberal Catholicism. Here, he discusses the causes of the chronic priest shortage, including the misuse of psychological screening and what appears to be blatant discrimination against the kind of young men who were once considered ideal candidates for the vocation. He gives a disturbing glimpse behind the scenes that may go far in explaining the church's present difficulties. Based primarily on interviews, the book is carefully footnoted and contains a bibliography of sources cited and consulted. Highly recommended for anyone interested in this prominent topic, and for public and academic libraries." C. Robert Nixon, MLS, Lafayette, IN Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.

Book Description: "Goodbye, Good Men provides the real story behind the sex scandal currently rocking the Catholic church. Investigative reporter Michael Rose has conducted countless interviews and exhaustive research to uncover several out-of-control seminaries as the root cause of the scandal. While most pundits and critics are calling for liberalization of the Church in the wake of these scandals, Rose presents compelling evidence that liberal influence is the very cause of the crisis. The revelations in Goodbye, Good Men will shock the nation and ignite a firestorm of debate on the subject."

The book is available on Amazon.com

109 posted on 09/30/2005 1:26:11 PM PDT by GaryL
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I wish Jesus would appear and comment on their use of His name. I'd like to hear Our Lord's opinion of that.


115 posted on 09/30/2005 1:35:44 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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Having gone to Jebbie schools, I can't say I'm surprised. Many "friends of Dorothy" in the Ignatian order.


121 posted on 09/30/2005 1:57:46 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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Chojnacki wrote in the letter, dated Monday, that he had participated in the funerals of several gay Jesuit clergy over the last few years.
"I find it insulting to demean their memory and their years of service by even hinting that they were unfit for priesthood because of their sexual orientation," he wrote.

I notice that he didn't mention most of these deaths were likely from AIDS.

The Jebbies have been hit hard with HIV/AIDS during the last 15-20 years because they were the first to go off the deep end and push the "if I think it's all right, then it's not a sin" idea. Their numbers have been dwindling, and many of the surviving priests and brothers are OLD. I'm hopeful that newer Jesuits will change the order to what it USED to be before the scourge of liberalism entered into its ranks.

144 posted on 09/30/2005 4:57:27 PM PDT by SuziQ
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This problem would go away if the Catholic Church would allow Priests to marry.


166 posted on 09/30/2005 9:11:58 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Last ping'o'the night. Discussion follows, read at your own risk. Rock on, Pope Benedict!*

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


*Forgive my levity.


168 posted on 09/30/2005 9:16:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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Its easy....if you've become a priest as a homosexual you have explicitly violated the organizational tenets of the Catholic church. So whats the complaint when you're outed? Don't let the door hit ya !!!!!


201 posted on 10/01/2005 4:46:41 AM PDT by mo
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No one has postulated that there is a small, slightly larger than normal distribution population of gays in the clergy who have repeated a higher percentage so many times that it has been accepted as fact by the press, but more importantly, by the hetero clerics as well.

This should at least be considered. That there has been a concerted effort to portray clerics as substantially gay for the purpose of developing tolerance for them.


224 posted on 10/01/2005 4:58:13 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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227 posted on 10/01/2005 5:48:30 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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Estimates of the numbers of gays in the priesthood vary from 25 percent to 50 percent.

And he must be one of them.



247 posted on 10/02/2005 4:16:39 PM PDT by counterpunch
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Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays
258 posted on 10/02/2005 9:28:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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