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Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays
AP Religion ^ | 9/30/2005 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 09/30/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by NormB

Estimates of the numbers of gays in the priesthood vary from 25 percent to 50 percent. About one-third of the 42,500 U.S. priests are members of religious orders.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; homosexualagenda; religiousleft; vatican
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To: oldironsides
The problems are not with the religion

I most certainly was not suggesting that there is. However in modern times the whole Jesuit order for the most part has abandoned the faith.

101 posted on 09/30/2005 1:17:01 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Veto!

"I wisxh you were right. But a few nights ago on Catholic radio (EWTN), a caller phoned in with a question about how many seminarians are gay and the priest answering questions had to admit to 25-50%. So those are the church's own figures."

One priest, on a call-in, isn't necessarily giving the "church's own figures." And, I may still be right.


102 posted on 09/30/2005 1:18:06 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: spunkets

Very clever. Very pointed. It really speaks for itself, doesn't it?

But I thought you had to be at least 18 to post on FR. Welcome, young feller! You're really snarky.


103 posted on 09/30/2005 1:20:09 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: GarySpFc

Note this author's obsession with prestigious degrees and titles, and with fancy social connections. What the devil does any of that have to do with being a good priest or a good Catholic? Jesus was a carpenter. This woman's shallow values make her the condign person to praise a priest who obviously wasn't true to his vows.


104 posted on 09/30/2005 1:20:55 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: khnyny

Thanks. Godspeed.

Safe travel.


105 posted on 09/30/2005 1:21:15 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: markedman

The rules of the Roman Catholic Church on earth are largely made by the popes as Christ's Vicars on earth, whether enemies of the Roman Catholic Church like it or not. We are NOT subject to rules construed into "existence" by every or any "reformed" Tom, Dick and Harriet with a Bible and a few reading lessons.


106 posted on 09/30/2005 1:21:31 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: conserv13

If you actually have swallowed the lying piece of propaganda that 10% of the population is homosexual (now admitted by its propounders to be a lie) you really should study up.

It's all here at this link, categorized for your reading pleasure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~scripter/index


107 posted on 09/30/2005 1:22:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: conserv13

He certainly doesn't love everything everyone says or does. He makes that explicity clear.


108 posted on 09/30/2005 1:24:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: NormB
The situation in the Catholic clergy is actually much worse than most people realize. Michale Rose wrote a great book on this subject a few years ago called Goodbye, Good Men.

It was actually written shortly before the current sexual abuse problems erupted. The subtitle is: How Liberalism Bought Corruption Into the Catholic Church. As usual, you can usually find liberalism at the root cause of most of the problems in our culture. I believe it was in this book that he described the pristhood as bascially evolving in recent decades into a "gay profession," much like male flight attendants. In many seminaries, "straight" candidtates are actually weeded out.

Here are a couple reviews of the book from Amazon. It was a real eyeopener for me, and I'd highly recommend it:

"Written shortly before the current scandal broke upon the Roman Catholic Church, Rose's book seems almost prophetic as he documents the systematic rejection of pious, orthodox seminary applicants in many dioceses and the encouragement of questionable attitudes and agendas. Rose, who was editor of St. Catherine Review for seven years, is the author of numerous articles, essays, and books that question the wisdom of contemporary liberal Catholicism. Here, he discusses the causes of the chronic priest shortage, including the misuse of psychological screening and what appears to be blatant discrimination against the kind of young men who were once considered ideal candidates for the vocation. He gives a disturbing glimpse behind the scenes that may go far in explaining the church's present difficulties. Based primarily on interviews, the book is carefully footnoted and contains a bibliography of sources cited and consulted. Highly recommended for anyone interested in this prominent topic, and for public and academic libraries." C. Robert Nixon, MLS, Lafayette, IN Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.

Book Description: "Goodbye, Good Men provides the real story behind the sex scandal currently rocking the Catholic church. Investigative reporter Michael Rose has conducted countless interviews and exhaustive research to uncover several out-of-control seminaries as the root cause of the scandal. While most pundits and critics are calling for liberalization of the Church in the wake of these scandals, Rose presents compelling evidence that liberal influence is the very cause of the crisis. The revelations in Goodbye, Good Men will shock the nation and ignite a firestorm of debate on the subject."

The book is available on Amazon.com

109 posted on 09/30/2005 1:26:11 PM PDT by GaryL
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To: hosepipe

No...if I am right, the samplings are worthless. That doesn't give the wrong results a sudden, meaningless, exponential jump. Jeesh.


110 posted on 09/30/2005 1:28:42 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: ECM
Does anyone know if the Jesuits are still worth a damn ouside of the US?

Let's rephrase that, shall we?

Does anyone know if the Jesuits are still worth a damn?

Well, yes, there are a few.
Like Fr. Fessio, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Fr. Spitzer in Gonzaga, and there MUST be a few others...

111 posted on 09/30/2005 1:29:20 PM PDT by It's me
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To: John O

Thanks for the ping! I will ping this out later.

(Good to see you, friend!)


112 posted on 09/30/2005 1:34:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: GarySpFc

The letter your post made several assertions which do not reflect objective truth. Here are just a couple:

"The God I pray to created all human beings. I believe he made some of them gay."

There is zero evidence that anyone is born "gay". Even homosexual activist researchers who have tried for years to prove that there is a "gay" gene, that people are born "gay", have had to admit they haven't found the evidence they're looking for. Here's a link that give a lot of information about the actual causes of homosexuality. I suggest you give it a read:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420619/posts
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences

"But homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia."

Consider this: roughly one third of all child molestation is same sex. Homosexuals are about 2% of the population, yet one third of child molestation is same sex. That should tell you something. If you read the article and info on the thread linked above, you'll find more information about homosexuality and child and adolescent molestation. A much higher percentage of homosexuals were sexually molested when young, and continue the practice as adults. Not all, not most - but a MUCH higher percentage than the general population. (Actually, a huge percentage of homosexuals were molested when young. It is definitely one of the most pervasive factors contributing to homosexuality.)

Before supporting homosexuality in the priesthood any more, you owe it to yourself and those reading this forum to educate yourself.


113 posted on 09/30/2005 1:34:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: markedman

Man that is some nasty reading.
I recommend it highly to anyone, especially Catholics.


114 posted on 09/30/2005 1:35:36 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: NormB

I wish Jesus would appear and comment on their use of His name. I'd like to hear Our Lord's opinion of that.


115 posted on 09/30/2005 1:35:44 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: markedman
The Roman Catholic Church is a private organization with its own rules and decision-making process.

Who we decide to ordain and what standards for ordination we decide to enforce for our clergy is our business, not yours.

Right now we are trying to correct laxities that have led to atrocities, and we've adopted the reasonable position that if you exclude persons inclined to sodomy from positions of authority, then persons in authority will no longer sodomize people.

If you want to be pastored by a sodomy fan or participant, there are many religious organizations which would be more than happy to accomodate you.

116 posted on 09/30/2005 1:41:47 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: John O
""Homosexuality" is a mental disease evidenced only by the act of practicing same sex behavior.

It's neither a mental disease, nor does it require physical engagement. As I said before it's a noun and is the same sex version of the noun and opposite sex word heterosexual. John O doesn't get to define words.

"disease"

I thought the act was a sin?

"If someone never commits the act of homosexual behavior then they are not a 'homosexual'. Only the act gives definition to the disease"

Utterly ridiculous.

117 posted on 09/30/2005 1:42:35 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: John Robertson
"It really speaks for itself, doesn't it? "

Yes it does.

118 posted on 09/30/2005 1:43:28 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: conserv13
God loves everyone whether they are gay or not.

Well, sure He does. Absolutely and completely.

But, He certainly does not like the sins which we mere mortals commit. It keeps us away from a full relationship with Him.

Have you ever heard the saying, "Hate the sin, Love the sinner."

I thought so...

119 posted on 09/30/2005 1:47:49 PM PDT by It's me
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To: little jeremiah
Before supporting homosexuality in the priesthood any more, you owe it to yourself and those reading this forum to educate yourself.

You need to learn how to read before being so quick to criticize others. I in no way support homosexuality, but posted an article from The Kansas City Star, which showed a prominent Jesuit was a practicing homosexual and president of a Jesuit college. For your information I am a conservative theologian.
120 posted on 09/30/2005 1:54:58 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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