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Show Me the Science [Critique of Intelligent Design, by Daniel Dennett
New York Times ^ | August 28, 2005 | Daniel C. Dennett

Posted on 08/28/2005 2:14:36 PM PDT by AZLiberty

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Is "intelligent design" a legitimate school of scientific thought? Is there something to it, or have these people been taken in by one of the most ingenious hoaxes in the history of science? Wouldn't such a hoax be impossible? No. Here's how it has been done.

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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Technical
KEYWORDS: allcrevoallthetime; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; evolution; id; intelligentdesign; science; secularworry; walltowallcrevo; youmadeyourpointojay
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To: catpuppy
I'll just note your lack of examples

Since I have called you directly on several, I note that you are AGAIN bearing false witness.

201 posted on 08/28/2005 7:54:25 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: 2ndreconmarine
"But the simple fact is that Einstein never would believe in "Intelligent Design", any more than he would believe in ID's intellectual equivalents of astrology or alchemy."

An even simpler fact is that you cannot possibly know what Einstein would believe given new information or data.

It is one thing to quote the man, another thing entirely to define his potential beliefs.

202 posted on 08/28/2005 7:55:04 PM PDT by Radix (Why do they call them Morons when they do not know as much? Shouldn't they be Lessons?)
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To: b_sharp
Darwin's Dangerous Idea

He said Darwin's idea was dangerous? Why are we still teaching it in the schools? Will noöne think of the children?

203 posted on 08/28/2005 7:55:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense. - River ("Firefly"))
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To: WildTurkey
Since I have called you directly on several, I note that you are AGAIN bearing false witness.

Care to mention them?

204 posted on 08/28/2005 7:57:34 PM PDT by catpuppy
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To: RussP

Hey man did you get banned at CU?


205 posted on 08/28/2005 7:57:58 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: WildTurkey

A creationist believes that God is the intelligent designer of all life because all evidence suggests that wrist watches don't randomly occur in nature.

Evolutionists on the other hand believe that over the course of millions of years simple life sprang from non-living matter. Then, after millions of years, the simple organism gradually became more complex in design and variety until what you see today came into existence.

I know BS when I see it.


206 posted on 08/28/2005 7:59:23 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: killermosquito

Evolutionists believe the watchmaker was blind.


207 posted on 08/28/2005 8:02:09 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: killermosquito

Evolutionists on the other hand believe that over the course of millions of years simple life sprang from non-living matter.

Though I'm sure you've heard it before and choose to ignore it, the TOE does not say this.

208 posted on 08/28/2005 8:02:26 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: killermosquito
A creationist believes that God is the intelligent designer of all life because all evidence suggests that wrist watches don't randomly occur in nature.

You HAD to read that off of some creationist website. No thinking person would really post that.

209 posted on 08/28/2005 8:03:41 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: dynoman

"Hey man did you get banned at CU?"

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Is ad hominen innuendo the best you can do? Yes? Oh, then without even reading any of your other posts, I'll bet you're an evolutionist.


210 posted on 08/28/2005 8:03:51 PM PDT by RussP
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To: dynoman

"Hey man did you get banned at CU?"

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Is ad hominen innuendo the best you can do? Yes? Oh, then without even reading any of your other posts, I'll bet you're an evolutionist.


211 posted on 08/28/2005 8:04:14 PM PDT by RussP
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To: ml1954
The following is from my son's College Biology Textbook, Biology, Sixth Edition, Campbell & Reece, 2002, page 476:

"Speciation is at the boundary between microevolution and macroevolution. Microevolution is a change over the genetics in a population's allele frequencies, mainly by genetic drift and natural selection. ...Yet the cumulative change during millions of speciation episodes over vast tracts of time must account for macroevolution, the level of change that is evident over the time scale of the fossil record."

212 posted on 08/28/2005 8:04:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Congressman Billybob
Well what kind of thinker, much less scientist, could that poster be, given his (or her) jumping to conclusions with no evidence to speak for them?

Einstein had some problems, obviously, with an anthropomorhic judgemental and personal god. Yet he spoke of G-d, too. Especially when ticked off as the "God doesn't play dice with the universe." quote shows. Then he was ticked off at quantum mechanics and uncertainty (the physics theory uncertainty).

What a person says when ticked off or emotionally distressed often opens the locked doors of what elsewise can a very close-to-the-vest, or controlled, or carefully presented personality.

Einstein clearly recognized at a deep level the inference of Divine Action upon the everyday realm of physics and the universe.

Einstein's lament shows that at heart he was not some modern Pythagorean.

213 posted on 08/28/2005 8:05:18 PM PDT by bvw
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To: RussP

Another double post. I've got to stop doing that.


214 posted on 08/28/2005 8:05:22 PM PDT by RussP
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To: killermosquito
A creationist believes that God is the intelligent designer of all life because all evidence suggests that wrist watches don't randomly occur in nature.

I thought you believed it because the Bible said so?

215 posted on 08/28/2005 8:05:27 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RussP

Another double post. I've got to stop doing that.


216 posted on 08/28/2005 8:05:28 PM PDT by RussP
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To: WildTurkey

And creationism is winning.


217 posted on 08/28/2005 8:05:35 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: killermosquito
And creationism is winning.

I remember the druggies saying the same thing.

218 posted on 08/28/2005 8:07:58 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RussP
Sorry, I thought you might be someone I saw at Conservative Underground who was banned.

And, here are some posts you might find interesting.

219 posted on 08/28/2005 8:08:51 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: b_sharp
'Evos' follow the evidence instead of basing their opinion of the source of the information on the colour of his shorts.

Great. I can hardly wait for Charlie Manson's critique on intelligent design.
220 posted on 08/28/2005 8:10:01 PM PDT by microgood
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