Unintelligent Design Hostility toward religious believers at the nation’s museum

National Review ^ | August 16, 2005 | David Klinghoffer

[dervish]

The Smithsonian Institution is a national treasure of which every American can legitimately feel a sense of personal ownership. Considering this, I'd imagine widespread displeasure as more Americans become aware that senior scientists at the publicly funded Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History have reportedly been creating a "hostile work environment" for one of their colleagues merely because he published a controversial idea in a biology journal.

The controversial idea is Intelligent Design, the scientific critique of neo-Darwinism. The persecuted Smithsonian scientist is Richard von Sternberg, the holder of two PhDs in biology (one in theoretical biology, the other in molecular evolution). While the Smithsonian disputes the case, Sternberg's version has so far been substantiated in an investigation by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC), an independent federal agency.

A lengthy and detailed letter from OSC attorney James McVay, dated August 5, 2005, and addressed to Sternberg, summarizes the government's findings, based largely on e-mail traffic among top Smithsonian scientists. A particularly damning passage in the OSC letter reads:

Our preliminary investigation indicates that retaliation [against Sternberg by his colleagues] came in many forms. It came in the form of attempts to change your working conditions...During the process you were personally investigated and your professional competence was attacked. Misinformation was disseminated throughout the SI [Smithsonian Institution] and to outside sources. The allegations against you were later determined to be false. It is also clear that a hostile work environment was created with the ultimate goal of forcing you out of the SI. Meanwhile, on the basis of the "misinformation" directed against him, Sternberg's career prospects were being ruined.

'snip'

[js1138]

placemarker

[dervish]

What "nut job?"

[dervish]

http://www.answers.com/topic/obsolete-scientific-theory

[pending]

"One day you will bow before God and confess ID is the truth. I promise you this."

Soon WhoreGay! Soon!
you already won,
didnt you hear?
One of your activist buddy judges just ruled one for ya.

Atheism is religion.
That right, sing it loud...
Atheism is Religion!
Atheism is Religion!
That messy inconvenient and in the way Establishment Clause is History!
No more freedom from Religion!
Praise be to the One True God!
Nothing can stop you now!

(If SCOTUS doesn't vaporise it, that is.)

So you get Your "word of God" Thumper-Fundy-pseudo-science.
Happy?

watch your back...

Can you spell A C L U?

Muhammed gonna get his too.
Koran Klass Kiddies!

Hooray for God!

[orionblamblam]

One day you will have to stand before Crom and answer the riddle of steel. If you cannot, he will cast you out of Valhalla and laugh at you.

[orionblamblam]

> The paper passed peer-review

Sometimes things slip through due to lazy peer-reviewers. This woudl not be the first time that a hoax paper has gotten through.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/s/so/sokal_affair.htm

[Elsie]

Drama queening again...

But... We learned from YOU guys ;^(

[Elsie]

For the most part, it certainly is.

HMmmm... which part AIN'T?

[Elsie]

Nice word picture.

Just like the ones we get to decribe how Evolution could have happened.

[Elsie]

Problem is, someone forgot to send the memo to the 'father of ID'

 

This GUY???

 

NIV Deuteronomy 4:32
  Ask now about the former days, long before your time, from the day God created man on the earth; ask from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything so great as this ever happened, or has anything like it ever been heard of?

 

NIV Psalms 89:47
  Remember how fleeting is my life. For what futility you have created all men!

 

NIV Psalms 104:30
  When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.

 

NIV Psalms 139:13
  For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

 

NIV Psalms 148:4-5
 4.  Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
 5.  Let them praise the name of the LORD, for he commanded and they were created.

 

NIV Isaiah 40:26
   Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name.

 

NIV Isaiah 41:19-20
 19.  I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together,
 20.  so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the LORD has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

 

NIV Isaiah 42:5-6
 5.  This is what God the LORD says-- he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
 6.  "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand.

 

NIV Isaiah 43:1
  But now, this is what the LORD says-- he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.

 

NIV Isaiah 43:6-7
 6.  I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth--
 7.  everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made."

 

NIV Isaiah 45:7-8
 7.  I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and  create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
 8.  "You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the LORD, have created it.

 

NIV Isaiah 45:12
  It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.

 

NIV Isaiah 45:18
  For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."

 

NIV Isaiah 54:16-17
 16.  "See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;
 17.  no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me,"  declares the LORD.

 

NIV Isaiah 57:16
  I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me-- the breath of man that I have created.

 

NIV Isaiah 65:17-18
 17.  "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
 18.  But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.

 

NIV Ezekiel 28:13-15
 13.  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire,  turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings  were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
 14.  You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
 15.  You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

 

NIV Malachi 2:10
  Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

 

NIV Matthew 13:35
  So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."

 

NIV Matthew 25:34
  "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

 

NIV Mark 10:6
   "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'   (Not umpteen eons later; after lots of Evolution takes place!)

 

NIV Mark 13:18-19
 18.  Pray that this will not take place in winter,
 19.  because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.

 

NIV Romans 1:20
  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

NIV Romans 1:25
  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

 

NIV Romans 8:20-22
 20.  For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
 21.  that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
 22.  We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
 8.  For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
 9.  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

 

NIV Ephesians 3:8-9
 8.  Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
 9.  and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

 

NIV Colossians 1:16-17
 16.  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 17.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

NIV 1 Timothy 4:4-5
 4.  For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
 5.  because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

 

NIV Hebrews 4:13
  Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

 

NIV Hebrews 9:11
  When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,  he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

 

NIV Hebrews 9:26
  Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world.

 

NIV Hebrews 12:26-29
 26.  At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens."
 27.  The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
 28.  Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
 29.  for our "God is a consuming fire."

 

NIV 2 Peter 3:4
   They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

 

NIV Revelation 4:11
  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

 

NIV Revelation 10:6
  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

 

NIV Revelation 13:8
  All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

 

NIV Revelation 17:8
  The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

[Fester Chugabrew]

. . . superstitious claptrap like ID.

How is it "superstitious" to attribute design to biological entities that function as machines? Can't remember the last time I got superstitious over seeing a car or a lawn mower, though I reckon there was a time when Indians became superstious over guns. But not for long.

The design involved with biological entities, by the accounts of evolutionism, must be far less complex or interesting than the design involved with cars and lawn mowers, which we somehow intuitivuely know to be intelligently designed. Which is easier to build from scratch: a lawn mower, or a blade of grass?

[johnnyb_61820]

The point of the Sokal affair is that the social science journals do not employ real peer review. Are you saying the same is true of the Biology journals?

The Sokal affair was not something that "happened to slip through" but part of a giant problem where humanities "peer-review" is not based on valid argument, but on conformance to pre-conceived ideas of the reviewers.

Again, are you saying the same is true of Biology journals?

[orionblamblam]

> How is it "superstitious" to attribute design to biological entities that function as machines?

Just as it would be superstition to attribute design to, say, the Face On Mars.

> Which is easier to build from scratch: a lawn mower, or a blade of grass?

A blade of grass. To get that lawn mower, you must first not only evolve a blade of grass... but also an intelligent being capable of designing the lawn mower.

[orionblamblam]

> are you saying the same is true of Biology journals?

The evidence certainly suggests that in this case.

[Jorge]

We'll see who is right.
I'll bet you I am.

[Jorge]

We'll see who is right.
I'll bet you I am.

[Jorge]

We'll see who is right.
I'll bet you I am.

[Jorge]

With all due respect that was one of the strangest posts I have ever read on FR.
Did you have a point to make?

[orionblamblam]

> We'll see who is right.
> I'll bet you I am.

Do you *honestly* think that coems even close to being a reasonable means of debating a point of science?

[Jorge]

Do you *honestly* think that comes even close to being a reasonable means of debating a point of science?

Absolutely. When a person is standing before God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, I think the debate is pretty much over.

And for those so stubbornly and spiritually blind as evolutionists we see on these boards, I think it may very well take such an experience.

And as an x-evolutionist and atheist turned Christian creationist, I have no doubt this will happen. And much sooner than people think.